plane crash near Smolensk, Polish president on board

kalaruch · 04-15-10, 01:06 PM

Bolshevik and soviet propaganda messed everything up.
Sussex, my dear friend, please pray for those who died for their motherland.

I dont want to dispute about 1919-1920 and 1939-1940, but 1919 and 1939 were the years of Bolshevik/Soviet aggression on II RP.

I would like to end this thread, and try to concentrate at Smolensk tragedy.
Youre right,

Quote:

time has judged and has punished criminals

. Let historians dig in the past....

Susexx · 04-15-10, 01:36 PM

Smolensk, Russia-April 12, 2010: This is a satellite image of the crash site of a TU-154 outside of Smolensk, Russia in which President Lech Kaczynski of Poland and members of the political and military leadership were killed/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...ry/4515204703/

jaxa · 04-15-10, 02:23 PM

It was too foggy for landing, no INS and too low altitude. One hour later I saw sun and blue sky over crash site

Looking at this photo - where is proper runway?

Jimbuna · 04-15-10, 04:24 PM

It looks like slightly north east

flag4 · 04-15-10, 05:58 PM

please dont tell me this was a conspiracy...

...the tradedy is enough...

god bless to the families involved.

flag4

Spartan · 04-16-10, 05:31 AM

There is no conspiracy from what can be told - now, it looks like pilot error nothing more.

Additionally, the Russian response to the situation has been stellar to say the least.

BTW: The NYT did a pictorial here.

On a side note, I'm saddened to read that some wish the former president buried in Wawel. That is wrong on so many levels...

evan82 · 04-16-10, 05:35 AM

Katyń. I think this was Stalin vendetta for the 1920 Warsaw battle, Susexx.
Bolshevik army was stopped and defeat by Polish army under Józef Piłsudski
command. Now this is history, but if we really like to change realtions between our Country's, we can't build on lies, Susexx.

However I am optymist today, especially after this what Putin do in these days and what President Miedwiediew Said. Eaven if this was only political gesture, this was a conciliatory gesture and very important.

"...the people remember from all history only Katyn"

Not only, but 20000 Polish best patriots was murdered there, and most of them was officers.
Good to know, huh?

Lenin and Stalin are dead and eaven if they still have admirers, there is also
many good peoples in Russia and in Poland, peoples who knows true history, but now they want to build better relations between our nations leaning on the future, not the past.

04-15-10, 02:23 PM	#3
jaxa The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 1,501 Downloads: 418 Uploads: 0	It was too foggy for landing, no INS and too low altitude. One hour later I saw sun and blue sky over crash site Looking at this photo - where is proper runway? __________________ SHIII + GWX 3 Gold + V16B1 hardcode fixes + SH3Commander SHIV + OM + OMEGU SHV + WoS

04-15-10, 04:24 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,437 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	It looks like slightly north east __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-15-10, 05:58 PM	#5
flag4 Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: as far away as possible Posts: 1,625 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 0	please dont tell me this was a conspiracy... ...the tradedy is enough... god bless to the families involved. flag4 __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] ' We are here on Earth to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different.' Kurt Vonnegut

04-16-10, 05:31 AM	#6
Spartan Sailor man Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 50 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There is no conspiracy from what can be told - now, it looks like pilot error nothing more. Additionally, the Russian response to the situation has been stellar to say the least. BTW: The NYT did a pictorial here. On a side note, I'm saddened to read that some wish the former president buried in Wawel. That is wrong on so many levels... Last edited by Spartan; 04-16-10 at 07:08 AM.

04-16-10, 05:35 AM	#7
evan82 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 555 Downloads: 197 Uploads: 12	Katyń. I think this was Stalin vendetta for the 1920 Warsaw battle, Susexx. Bolshevik army was stopped and defeat by Polish army under Józef Piłsudski command. Now this is history, but if we really like to change realtions between our Country's, we can't build on lies, Susexx. However I am optymist today, especially after this what Putin do in these days and what President Miedwiediew Said. Eaven if this was only political gesture, this was a conciliatory gesture and very important. "...the people remember from all history only Katyn" Not only, but 20000 Polish best patriots was murdered there, and most of them was officers. Good to know, huh? Lenin and Stalin are dead and eaven if they still have admirers, there is also many good peoples in Russia and in Poland, peoples who knows true history, but now they want to build better relations between our nations leaning on the future, not the past. __________________ MY MODS - evan82's XXI Water StreamVIIB War Skin IIevan82's XXI Skin...

04-15-10, 01:36 PM	#2
Susexx Planesman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S.Peterburg, Russia Posts: 189 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Smolensk, Russia-April 12, 2010: This is a satellite image of the crash site of a TU-154 outside of Smolensk, Russia in which President Lech Kaczynski of Poland and members of the political and military leadership were killed/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/digital...ry/4515204703/