Crash the tea party - Page 5

tater · 04-14-10, 06:04 PM

Race is an issue WRT the Tea PArty stuff because it's be made a race issue by the Democrats. The Black Caucus guys walked out through the Tea Party crowd after passing the abysmal health care bill, then claimed they heard 15 racial epithets thrown at them. Considering they were dogged by reporters, with and without tape running, as well as countless people with video capability, not ONE proof of the accusation of the n-word being thrown has been proved. Even with a news service offering $100,000 for taped evidence.

So they have proved they'll make stuff up to try and discredit them.

Are there some racists, loons, or other scumbags that show up at Tea Party demonstrations? Absolutely, I'm sure there are some. There was no shortage of communists at anti-war protests during the Bush Administration, too. Does that mean that everyone against the war that show'd up with a "honk if you want the troops home" sign supported the murder of over 100 million people by communism? No, only those that support communism support that.

Regarding taxes, no one thinks that the poor should pay terrible taxes. The bottom 40-something percent of taxpayers are already a net negative, they can pay nothing—it's better than us paying THEM, instead. Various conservatives have suggested a flat tax—which in all proposed examples has no tax on any income below some value so the poor pay no tax, and the slightly poor pay a lot less. Another proposed tax is the "fair tax" which also includes a provision so the poor pay no tax, and the slightly poor pay a lot less. In both systems, if the poverty level is set at, say, $20,000/year, then the first 20k is untaxed. So if you make twice the poverty level, you in effect pay half the tax rate. 3X poverty, you pay 2/3 the tax rate, etc. (in the fair tax it's a rebate for the tax rate times the poverty level income).

There are other systems I'm sure as well, those are the two you hear about most.

Platapus · 04-14-10, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Even with a news service offering $100,000 for taped evidence.

Which one offered that?

tater · 04-14-10, 06:45 PM

Breitbart.

The rest just report the accusation as fact even though none of the reporters, cameras, or security personnel heard any such remarks.

Platapus · 04-14-10, 06:50 PM

Seems like someone would have recorded it.

tater · 04-14-10, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Seems like someone would have recorded it.

Or those slacker Secret Service guys who were standing next to the guy who claimed he heard the n-word 15 time yet they heard nothing.

Course secret service guys are notoriously unobservant.

tater · 04-14-10, 06:58 PM

I'm not a "Tea Party" person, myself. Meaning I don't see myself attending.

That said, as much as they tried to paint them as racists before, my bet is that suddenly, tomorrow, the same protesters will be WAY more racist as seen on the news. That'll be the credulous (it's that or they are very biased, pick one) news reporting on infiltrators as the very essence of the movement.

Some of the tea party attendance claims were clearly exaggerated before (the DC one), OTOH, local events were typically under-counted in the press.

CaptainHaplo · 04-14-10, 07:03 PM

I highly doubt that racial and sexual epithets were used.

However - I accept it as a possibility - anger, frustration and a lack of couth can result in such things.

So lets play devil's advocate and say it did happen.

Should the remarks of a few color the whole movement? If you say yes, then how can you defend Obama after he CHOOSES to put into positions of power those who make it clear they support communism, wealth redistribution, etc. How can you not blast the entire left for their calls to "kill bush"?

Of course - if you answered no to that question, then its really a non-story - isn't it?

The only reason it IS a story is because the keft - along with a majority of the press - is in support of a specific ideology, and therefore is attempting to tear down anything that threatens the forwarding of the agenda.

SteamWake · 04-14-10, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Seems like someone would have recorded it.

Yea in that sea of media and a #100,000.00 offer thats been hanging out there for I dunno a week...

If they acutaly had something like that it would have been virual the next day.

tater · 04-14-10, 07:17 PM

Haplo, excellent point. I agree.

That said, it's inexcusable for an elected official to lie about this. Sorry, but 15 times with all the press, security, etc, would have been impossible to miss. Impossible. It WOULD be on tape.

GoldenRivet · 04-14-10, 08:56 PM

im reminded of CNN going on for days about the crazy white people carrying their guns in Arizona near Obama. Especially the one white guy nut job with his AR-15

Fox gets hold of the video...

turns out it was a black guy with an AR-15

they play the races against one another every day.

just one more example

Stealth Hunter · 04-14-10, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I highly doubt that racial and sexual epithets were used.

See this:

http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-...eapartypic.jpg

(dumbass can't even spell the word right!

)

And more:

These people are a cancer if there ever was one; they're being stupid, violent, dangerous and it's going to bite them in the ass eventually if they don't stop it. You don't go about politics waving around these kinds of signs comparing Obama to Hitler, a monkey, shouting and hollering like a bunch of hooligans. Because the civilized aren't going to take you seriously. Act like you've got some common sense and decency for a change, jackholes.

Something needs to be done about them. Now they're asking for their own militia. Given how they've acted towards the government, we may very well face a string of violence if we allow them to do this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/..._party_militia

SteamWake · 04-14-10, 09:43 PM

yea nicely done

Stealth Hunter · 04-14-10, 09:47 PM

What's even more sickening was that these folks asked for it just a week before 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Bastards.

tater · 04-14-10, 10:26 PM

While there are certainly some idiots like those sign holders, what about Obama supporters in Che shirts? Or Obama campaign offices with a Che poster?

That would have been like a McCain rally or office with some iconic, but minor Nazi figure on shirts. I've seen baby onesies with Che on them. You can guess the political bumper sticker on THAT hybrid, can't you?

Obama as a monkey? I've see the Bush/Monkey images, what's the difference, we're all evolved from common ancestors, both Obama and Bush are Homo sapiens, after all?

The problem is that people combed huge rallies, and we get to see every scumbag poster on the news as if it was most of them, or even a large %.

During the Bush Admin, OTOH, the news breathlessly covered anti-war protests, and never once mentioned that the sponsor of many big protests—ANSWER—is in fact a communist organization. The didn;t have a problem with burning Bush in effigy, nor were they overly concerned about posters of W with a crosshair on him.

Anyone here every read the huffpo, or dailykos? If they are not smart enough to disable comments, check it out when the news reports some, heck, ANY Republican as sick or going to the doctor. Comments overflow with death wishes.

GoldenRivet · 04-14-10, 10:41 PM

Tater... you have to look at group psychology

its only wrong when its the other guys doing it

I have heard enough of this racism crap

how many of those racists are "planted"?

one has to wonder.

but you're right... Bush has been monkey imaged plenty enough himself... like you said, whats the difference?

well

Answer one: There isnt a difference

Answer two: Bush is white, so you can say or write or doodle anything you want about him and its ok

which answer you go with depends on whether you lean left or right.

04-14-10, 06:50 PM	#64
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,396 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Seems like someone would have recorded it. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-14-10, 07:03 PM	#67
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I highly doubt that racial and sexual epithets were used. However - I accept it as a possibility - anger, frustration and a lack of couth can result in such things. So lets play devil's advocate and say it did happen. Should the remarks of a few color the whole movement? If you say yes, then how can you defend Obama after he CHOOSES to put into positions of power those who make it clear they support communism, wealth redistribution, etc. How can you not blast the entire left for their calls to "kill bush"? Of course - if you answered no to that question, then its really a non-story - isn't it? The only reason it IS a story is because the keft - along with a majority of the press - is in support of a specific ideology, and therefore is attempting to tear down anything that threatens the forwarding of the agenda. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-14-10, 08:56 PM	#70
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	im reminded of CNN going on for days about the crazy white people carrying their guns in Arizona near Obama. Especially the one white guy nut job with his AR-15 Fox gets hold of the video... turns out it was a black guy with an AR-15 they play the races against one another every day. just one more example __________________

04-14-10, 09:43 PM	#72
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	yea nicely done __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

04-14-10, 10:41 PM	#75
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Tater... you have to look at group psychology its only wrong when its the other guys doing it I have heard enough of this racism crap how many of those racists are "planted"? one has to wonder. but you're right... Bush has been monkey imaged plenty enough himself... like you said, whats the difference? well Answer one: There isnt a difference Answer two: Bush is white, so you can say or write or doodle anything you want about him and its ok which answer you go with depends on whether you lean left or right. __________________

04-14-10, 06:04 PM	#61
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Race is an issue WRT the Tea PArty stuff because it's be made a race issue by the Democrats. The Black Caucus guys walked out through the Tea Party crowd after passing the abysmal health care bill, then claimed they heard 15 racial epithets thrown at them. Considering they were dogged by reporters, with and without tape running, as well as countless people with video capability, not ONE proof of the accusation of the n-word being thrown has been proved. Even with a news service offering $100,000 for taped evidence. So they have proved they'll make stuff up to try and discredit them. Are there some racists, loons, or other scumbags that show up at Tea Party demonstrations? Absolutely, I'm sure there are some. There was no shortage of communists at anti-war protests during the Bush Administration, too. Does that mean that everyone against the war that show'd up with a "honk if you want the troops home" sign supported the murder of over 100 million people by communism? No, only those that support communism support that. Regarding taxes, no one thinks that the poor should pay terrible taxes. The bottom 40-something percent of taxpayers are already a net negative, they can pay nothing—it's better than us paying THEM, instead. Various conservatives have suggested a flat tax—which in all proposed examples has no tax on any income below some value so the poor pay no tax, and the slightly poor pay a lot less. Another proposed tax is the "fair tax" which also includes a provision so the poor pay no tax, and the slightly poor pay a lot less. In both systems, if the poverty level is set at, say, $20,000/year, then the first 20k is untaxed. So if you make twice the poverty level, you in effect pay half the tax rate. 3X poverty, you pay 2/3 the tax rate, etc. (in the fair tax it's a rebate for the tax rate times the poverty level income). There are other systems I'm sure as well, those are the two you hear about most.

04-14-10, 06:45 PM	#63
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Breitbart. The rest just report the accusation as fact even though none of the reporters, cameras, or security personnel heard any such remarks.

04-14-10, 06:58 PM	#66
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm not a "Tea Party" person, myself. Meaning I don't see myself attending. That said, as much as they tried to paint them as racists before, my bet is that suddenly, tomorrow, the same protesters will be WAY more racist as seen on the news. That'll be the credulous (it's that or they are very biased, pick one) news reporting on infiltrators as the very essence of the movement. Some of the tea party attendance claims were clearly exaggerated before (the DC one), OTOH, local events were typically under-counted in the press.

04-14-10, 07:17 PM	#69
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Haplo, excellent point. I agree. That said, it's inexcusable for an elected official to lie about this. Sorry, but 15 times with all the press, security, etc, would have been impossible to miss. Impossible. It WOULD be on tape.

04-14-10, 09:47 PM	#73
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	What's even more sickening was that these folks asked for it just a week before 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Bastards.

04-14-10, 10:26 PM	#74
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	While there are certainly some idiots like those sign holders, what about Obama supporters in Che shirts? Or Obama campaign offices with a Che poster? That would have been like a McCain rally or office with some iconic, but minor Nazi figure on shirts. I've seen baby onesies with Che on them. You can guess the political bumper sticker on THAT hybrid, can't you? Obama as a monkey? I've see the Bush/Monkey images, what's the difference, we're all evolved from common ancestors, both Obama and Bush are Homo sapiens, after all? The problem is that people combed huge rallies, and we get to see every scumbag poster on the news as if it was most of them, or even a large %. During the Bush Admin, OTOH, the news breathlessly covered anti-war protests, and never once mentioned that the sponsor of many big protests—ANSWER—is in fact a communist organization. The didn;t have a problem with burning Bush in effigy, nor were they overly concerned about posters of W with a crosshair on him. Anyone here every read the huffpo, or dailykos? If they are not smart enough to disable comments, check it out when the news reports some, heck, ANY Republican as sick or going to the doctor. Comments overflow with death wishes.