Crash the tea party

funny, i get deductions based upon my itemized expenses, but the government does not send me grant money.

It doesn't have to send grant money for you be recieving grants.

as a white man... i dont qualify for

Interesting viewpoint, reading between the lines as you suggest you appear to equate grants solely with social welfare payments made to people who are not "white".

remind me again why you keep going to this?

Its because you keep on going back to how you have to pay so much of your money in tax, yet live in a country with relatively low taxes.

In all honesty my tax liability is not that bad.

So every time you write complaining about your nearly 50% tax payments you are only being a bit of a drama queen for effect.

this is probably the 4th or 5th post from the past few months where you have insisted upon insulting my accountant.

Thats because the only other possibility to explain your "huge tax liabilities" was that your accounts were really screwed.
It turns out that was not the case as you are just moaning about fictional payment you have made up.

personally i dont understand how you or anyone else could defend it

Defend what? your relatively low levels of taxation or the black crack whore on welfare in the shop with you?
Come to think of it, since these "grants" you are on about are welfare payments and only non-white people can get them does that mean jim bob who doesn't work and is sitting with a bottle of jack outside his trailer isn't really white?

[Ishmael]

I'm thinking of attending the Tea Party rally here in ABQ with the following sign:

Free The Indianapolis 500!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Meh the thread went south as soon as the consipiricys came out. /shrug

Kind of like when people pointed out the racists and misspelled signs at the teabagger rallies, and you accused those people of being SEIU operatives out to give the Tea Partiers a bad name?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Kind of like when people pointed out the racists and misspelled signs at the teabagger rallies, and you accused those people of being SEIU operatives out to give the Tea Partiers a bad name?

Yes pretty much like that... oh hey look I was right ! Hence this thread.

Oh and its Tea Party not Tea Baggers.

You just keep on trying to make them look like a bunch of uninformed morons and racisist I know some will believe you and that should make you happy.

The problem for you though is that the 'normal' conservatives vastly outnumber your left wing activists. I think everything will be okay in November

[tater]

The "rich" are the only ones who deserve tax cuts. The left likes to cut taxes primarily on people who do not actually pay taxes.

A "fair share" of federal taxes is the total cost of the budget divided by the population. So a taxpayer (head of household) with 4 total members needs to pay 4 shares to have fairly contributed. No, I'm not suggesting this as a real tax code, I'm simply pointing out what is "fair."

Right now that's something like 12k per head (income and payroll taxes combined—and include the bogus "employer contribution" of FICA as well). So our family of 4 ponies up 48k in taxes or they are being subsidized. Those of us that pay some multiple of that, are the people that deserve a tax cut. Note that we still expect and have no problem in paying more, it just sucks to pay more, AND pay a higher RATE into the bargain—then get demonized by the left when we are the people paying for everything. I'm fine with the poor paying zero taxes, BTW, including payroll taxes. No one should pay NEGATIVE taxes like we have now, and as many as possible should have a real tax liability. That or peg voting to some level of tax liability, otherwise voting is a conflict of interest.

We will get a substantial refund this year, too. Guess that means we can't be appointed to the Obama Cabinet since we don't cheat on our taxes like Geithner, et al, did until caught.

Ishmael, I drove by the last tea party on Montgomery after I dropped off my mom in law (very much a Democrat, BTW). Was pretty low-key. Hopefully they have the sense to make a big show of kicking out or bugging anyone planted with hateful signs. FWIW, I didn't see any driving by last time.

[GoldenRivet]

Tribesman,

this is my final response to you in this thread, then you can just do whatever you want.

The system is abused by many people. race is not the issue, its the fact that common citizens like myself and others pay for these abuses.

though the social diversity in my region or area places a steep - very steep - slant on who abuses the system... doesnt mean its typical of all areas, and I understand that

and yes, the corporate income tax rate for my bracket is actually something along the lines of 25% - which is an outrage IMHO... but thats just my opinion. you might think it is fair... however, once you open your own business and your cash in hand drops by 25% that tends to take a bit of wind out of your sails so to speak.

that also means one in every four dollars i earn goes into the tax pool for the government to spend as it sees fit.

roads? cool

bridges? cool

military? great

Schools? awesome

whatever

however i see the abuses every day. White people do it, black people do it, mexicans do it... its annoying and its wrong and the common american citizen is basically paying money so these people can lay on their backs and make babies and get high all day.

one thing they all seem to have in common is that they are all the same caliber of people. Example 1 example 2

not cool

a problem you have is that you take comments TOO literally.

yes i said that as a white man i dont qualify for 99% of government grants.

i think you are misunderstanding what a grant is... tax deductions are not grants. you cant grant someone money they already have. unless of course you are a thief and you decide not to steal it i suppose.

a grant is a formal and official transfer of money or other title or deed to one individual or entity from another. meaning that you would receive grant money to go to school or to start a business or conduct a science experiment etc

Yes, those government grants ARE intended for minorities and women thats a simple fact in America and no, its not a big deal to me. It might help my wife, daughter or friend some day.

no... its probably not on the order of 99% that i dont qualify for because im a white male... (probably more like 90%)

but i digress.

You appear to come from a political mind set that it is the responsibility of those who work to give a portion of their money to those who refuse to work.

I come from the political viewpoint that it is the responsibility of every citizen to be a contributing member of society.

You will have a hell of a time changing that opinion... or convincing me that my work ethic is wrong.

To quote Hal 9000...

this conversation can no longer serve any purpose.

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

a problem you have is that you take comments TOO literally.

Actually GR his problem is that he's a troll who is looking to provoke an argument from anyone he can cajole into responding, and your problem is that you and a few others keep accommodating him.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

Actually GR his problem is that he's a troll who is looking to provoke an argument from anyone he can cajole into responding, and your problem is that you and a few others keep accommodating him.

you're right.

The thing to do, when someone points out your problem... is to adapt your behavior.

I shall try to do that

to assist me in this endeavor he is now being ignored completely thus making his posts completely invisible to me.

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you're right.

The thing to do, when someone points out your problem... is to adapt your behavior.

I shall try to do that

to assist me in this endeavor he is now being ignored completely thus making his posts completely invisible to me.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by August

Actually GR his problem is that he's a troll who is looking to provoke an argument from anyone he can cajole into responding, and your problem is that you and a few others keep accommodating him.

I don't know about that. I've had some decently productive discussions with Tribesman, even though we are almost complete opposites. He strikes me as being a guy with something to say, and can usually make a fairly good case if you press him enough, but who would rather resort to brief insults most of the time. Actually, I guess you could call such a person a troll.

Well, at least he isn't some idiot who regularly posts 2,000-word responses to just about everything, like some Lcpls I know.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Well, at least he isn't some idiot who regularly posts 2,000-word responses to just about everything, like some Lcpls I know.

well what your posts lack in girth, they more than make up for in length

I enjoy reading your stuff.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

well what your posts lack in girth, they more than make up for in length

I enjoy reading your stuff.

Woah a bromance... Brain bleach please..

race is not the issue,

Then why bring it up?

yes, the corporate income tax rate for my bracket is actually something along the lines of 25% - which is an outrage IMHO...

But clearly not ourageous enough hence hiking it up to 50% to justify the level of outrage you express.

however, once you open your own business and your cash in hand drops by 25% that tends to take a bit of wind out of your sails so to speak.

Once you open your business and the government wants 60% plus a pile of subsidiary taxes in addition then it may take the wind out of your sails ....unless of course you knew what starting a business in that location meant.

you cant grant someone money they already have.

As I said before, it isn't your money until all your dues in relation to it are paid.

a grant is a formal and official transfer of money or other title or deed to one individual or entity from another.

Like granting a waiver on money due between two business entities, like you and the government.

You appear to come from a political mind set that it is the responsibility of those who work to give a portion of their money to those who refuse to work.

Wrong.

I come from the political viewpoint that it is the responsibility of every citizen to be a contributing member of society.

That is a good viewpoint, though it should have the rider that some people are unable to contribute.

You will have a hell of a time changing that opinion... or convincing me that my work ethic is wrong.

There is nothing wrong with your work ethic, just your approach to taxes where you have to exagerate massively to try and make your points sound reasonable.

[SteamWake]

Im not going to reply to every point but I'm pretty damn sure that the conservitives are not the ones trying to make it a race issue.

Thats an age old closely held tradition of the liberal left.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Thats an age old closely held tradition of the liberal left.

true, without the idea of racism the liberal left wouldn't have anything.

but back on topic.

ANY group has the right to assemble... IMHO any subversive act like the one linked in the original post - is a direct violation of that right.