Do we really want to ruin this forum with constant DRM and SH5 trashing?

[thyro]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

No, no no... see this is what's really wrong with the forum.

We need MORE threads comparing SH5 to a car, in some way. The car can be broken down, or have no petrol (gas) or be incomplete in some way, just make sure that there is always at least one thread with a 'SH5 is like a (broken/rented/stolen/magic) car' theme in it.

I especially like the threads that are a poll about DRM, thinly disguised as a poll about something that isn't DRM e.g.

'I would have bought SH5, if it hadn't have been for the way that the DRM affected my tender feelings towards the manual'

or,

'I would have bought SH5, but the DRM affected the delicate magnetic compass in my head and I was unable to find my way to the shops to purchase it'

I especially like the threads that encourage people who haven't bought or played the game (not necessarily the same thing ;-) nudge, nudge, wink, wink) to offer up their own opinion, based on the 'facts' that they have read on the forum.

I personally would have bought SH5, but when I went to drive to the shop to buy it, it turned out that my car actually was a copy of SH5, which meant that I didn't need to buy it after all.

SH5 is like a good looking Ferrari with a broken Mini engine... so its all about chassi and fancy paintwork but dies when you switch on the engine

[Pumpkin]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Excellent post Neal - well written, sums up exactly the way I feel about the whole situation at the moment.

Then I read on and saw that it had done nothing, the trolling continued.....

*sigh*

Exactly my feelings!

I started this topic with the intent of discussing and (with a far off glimmer of hope) ending the constant trashing that seems to go on in almost every thread that happens to mention some plus points of SH5. I never at any point tried to initiate yet another discussion about the 'unfinished game' or its DRM. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that there were already more than enough threads discussing that very same thing.

Is there really any need to post all this negativity and trashing whenever given the slightest opportunity (or even when there is no opportunity, just throwing in your feelings anyway!)

I, like a lot of others on this forum, would actually like to discuss the good points of this game in a positive constructive manner. Without someone hijacking the thread almost immediately with 'how dare they release this game and expect modders to finish it' or 'I'm not buying it until DRM is removed!'

Neal made a very good point. If you really don't agree with SH5 then that's fine. The SH3/4 areas are also still very active and are a good place to discuss the games that you do actually like or agree with! Please stop trolling this area!

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Oh, I know, someone is going to hate on me over this, but before you do, think about what we are trying to do here: run a nice, relaxed place for reasonable people to talk about submarine games. People who do not like SH5 should frequent the SH3 or Sh4 forums, whatever game is interesting to you. I say this, not out of any malice, not at all. Just think about what you are doing to this forum.

Come on, man.

Originally Posted by mcarlsonus

Don't like it, don't read it!

QED

*sigh*

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Oh, I know, someone is going to hate on me over this, but before you do, think about what we are trying to do here: run a nice, relaxed place for reasonable people to talk about submarine games. People who do not like SH5 should frequent the SH3 or Sh4 forums, whatever game is interesting to you. I say this, not out of any malice, not at all. Just think about what you are doing to this forum.

Quite right Neal, and well put. Why frequent the board for a game you neither like, nor intend to buy? It is a strange logic, and one which appears to be quite common these days.

Really, how many more times do we have to hear about the DRM boycott? There is such a thing as flogging a dead horse, and this would definitely be it. We all know about the net requirement, and we all know where people stand, how terrible it is, blah, blah, blah. Point made, no need to flog it any more. It's here, and it looks like it's here to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. You may not like it, but there's no need to repeat what was said months ago, over and over again.

This forum should be for the discussion of the game, not it's associated anti-piracy measures. I believe the Ubi forums are the best place for such rants.

[Zedi]

I agree with all this, but we sail in more calm waters than those on Ubi forums. It's funny to see people actually registering there only to let those people know that they will not buy SH5 because of drm and how much they enjoy SH3. And they keep repeating this day by day no matter what

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Magnum

I agree with all this, but we sail in more calm waters than those on Ubi forums. It's funny to see people actually registering there only to let those people know that they will not buy SH5 because of drm and how much they enjoy SH3. And they keep repeating this day by day no matter what

If they just did it at the UBI forums it wouldn't be a problem.

Seriously - nearly every thread gets hit with the "DRM sucks - SHV sucks" post at some point or other here.

I agree with Neal and with Nordman, we know you don't like the DRM - you've told us over and over and over again. It's staying for the forseeable future and there is nothing we can do about it. No amount of ranting (especially to us subsimmers who have the game and are playing it) is going to change that fact.

You've chosen not to buy the game (or like Steve - you may not have a choice) other than repeating that over and over - what else can you contribute to a forum dedicated to a game that you don't own or wont/can't play?

Can we not just move on?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Sev, you make very good points. It's pretty sad when people who declare they have zero interest in a game take trolling to a whole new level. I'll never understand why some people will lurk in a forum for a game they do not have and wait for opportunities to make a post that essentially negative. Over and over.

I have gotten a lot of PMs and email from people who feel the same as you. People who are getting some enjoyment out of a flawed game are getting sick of trolls and griefers.


However, what can we do about it? It's pretty hard to weed out people who post simply to add more grief to an already miserable situation. You can place them on your ignore list. You can report them if they are topic spamming--this is a forum for SH5, not DRM philosphies or game flaming-- and a moderator can roll their post into an existing grief thread. If they get enough complaints against them, we can deny their access to this forum. Any other ideas are welcome.


Oh, I know, someone is going to hate on me over this, but before you do, think about what we are trying to do here: run a nice, relaxed place for reasonable people to talk about submarine games. People who do not like SH5 should frequent the SH3 or Sh4 forums, whatever game is interesting to you. I say this, not out of any malice, not at all. Just think about what you are doing to this forum.

Come on, man.

excellent post Neal.

[TDK1044]

Take a look at page one of the Silent Hunter 5 Forum. It contains a good and healthy balance of game related issues and observations.

While it is true to say that in the three weeks after the release of the game, there was certainly an explosion of thread hijacking by people who are totally against DRM, that has now diminished and the Forum is settling down again.

Many of those complaining about the DRM issue did so out of pure frustration and anger with the Publisher. And bear in mind that this wasn't the usual small group of loonies threatening to file lawsuits aginst Ubisoft and never purchase another Ubisoft product, many of these folks are subsimmers like me, who are watching the demise of a franchise.

That said, I agree with Neal. There's really nothing to be gained from endlessly infecting multiple threads with the same old issue.

The King is dead. Long live the King.

Let's move on.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by mcarlsonus

And, furthermore, and while I'm on my soapbox,<SNIP>

The new multiquote feature of the site is great. Makes it easier to reply to multiple posts.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by mcarlsonus

Don't like it, don't read it!
QED

Your suggestion then would be what? To allow this to happen?
So if, and i'm hypothetically-speaking of course out of ten posts, ten turned into drm-based or "i hate sh5" threads, you wouldn't read any of them, ie. leave the forum? Or surely it would be something like that. Not flaming you, but just don't get your mentality...

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Why frequent the board for a game you neither like, nor intend to buy? It is a strange logic, and one which appears to be quite common these days.

Really? Why frequent it?
How do you know i don't like it, or indeed intend to purchase it?
I frequent this board, as you call it to listen in on people's ideas and experiences, not just gameplay-wise but also their impressions, their "optimism", their enthusiasm, their modding skills, i certainly don't listen in on this board to have people dredge up stuff that was posted months ago.
I frequent it, to gather information from the owners that do have the game, to keep abreast of the latest developments and assist me in eventually purchasing this game, when the time is right.

What information i don't want to gather is the "vicious circle" syndrome, the monotonous replies and drone about negative factors of the game. Actually, i don't mind the negative stuff, nothing is perfect, but just 2 "in your eyes" negatives from the game are gratingly reproduced so often. It's amusing also when people are seemingly held accountable for doing this and reading their reply, almost insinuating that there was nothing wrong with saying what has been said a thousand times before, and moreso, the gall of that replier to then fall back on the same tirade again in conclusion, all in the same reply!!!
Very amusing as a avid follower of such replies

Trust me, it is massively refreshing to see and read a post about the AA of the British being too accurate (ok so it may be a bug, but gee), or reading about how to restart a mission, or how to mod a file, or how to find where your save games are located....
Sure, you don't like the game, or you aren't going to buy it, an opinion that you are entitled to, BUT.....
there are WAYS to put your opinions forward, be a bit more creative, or diplomatic for God's sake!
Over and out.

[stoneys-nutz]

[QUOTE=severniae;1349789]Ladies and Gentleman,

I must say that to be honest I'm getting a rather a lot fed up of constantly seeing threads full of people having constant arguments, or moaning about Silent Hunter 5.

I would like to petition the moderators of this forum, to lock down any more 'moan' topics and put the argument to rest permanently, or at least create just one thread for people to continue the discussion in a gentlemanly fashion and stop littering the forum with threads that seem to always turn into a pro/anti DRM/SH5 argument.

I feel that this forum is becoming more than a little ruined by the constant bickering about SH5, its DRM etc...

Its getting a little childish seeing people moaning at others because they bought SH5, and also seeing the people who bought it moaning at the people who won't because of the DRM, or other issues. We now know your feelings, whatever they are! Is there any need to keep going on about it? Why become so animated about the whole thing? If people have a problem, could they not just submit their complaint in writing to Ubisoft and have done with it?

We all know about the issues SH5 has, some people can get past that and get on with enjoying the game, others choose not to. That is fine! But can we, please, finally get past that and give it a rest. Its turning a really good forum that I want to be a part of into a flame-bin!

Many thanks,

Sev.[/


I would have to agree with you, its been flogged to death.
Lets move on.

Originally Posted by severniae

Ladies and Gentleman,

I must say that to be honest I'm getting a rather a lot fed up of constantly seeing threads full of people having constant arguments, or moaning about Silent Hunter 5.

I feel that this forum is becoming more than a little ruined by the constant bickering about SH5, its DRM etc...

Well I love the promise SH5 has to offer, its getting better all the time with the huge amounts of mods made already, and with more to come, plus some patches (hopefully) to fix most things to will be even better.
I like it so muchin fact, I have deleted SH3 and SH4

However you can't stop people moaning about SH5 and its DRM because. DRM is a huge pain in the arse.....

example:
I watched the pacific series last night (great series so far) and then thought I would have a couple of hours of SH5, but NO....my crappy phone line was down (problem at the exchange), so there's me with my legal bought game and unable to use it due to the stupid DRM thing, while I'm sure the people with illegally hacked copies are ok to play

DRM is the biggest SUCK of SH5 to me, and it needs changing, so YES, people are going to moan, and its their choice to moan, and its your choice NOT to read such posts if you wish


Simon
So

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by mcarlsonus

Don't like it, don't read it!

QED

Or, you could just not post it because it's something that's been posted a thousand times over. You are seriously degrading the signal-to-noise ratio. You hate DRM. You hate the fact that Ubi intentionally or not relies on modders for a finished game. We get it. Move on.

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Quite right Neal, and well put. Why frequent the board for a game you neither like, nor intend to buy? It is a strange logic, and one which appears to be quite common these days.

I agree 100%. I think World of Warcraft is dumb. I have no interest in purchasing it or playing it. But strangely enough, I don't feel any compulsion to register an account on the WoW forums and tell people that.

Originally Posted by robbo180265

You've chosen not to buy the game (or like Steve - you may not have a choice) other than repeating that over and over - what else can you contribute to a forum dedicated to a game that you don't own or wont/can't play?

Going back to my first point - you can say "don't like it? don't read it." but then it's easy to counter that with "No, I don't like it, not because of the content of your message, but the fact that you're adding nothing to the forum. And messages that add nothing are pointless and spam. Quit that."

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Really? Why frequent it?
How do you know i don't like it, or indeed intend to purchase it?
I frequent this board, as you call it to listen in on people's ideas and experiences, not just gameplay-wise but also their impressions, their "optimism", their enthusiasm, their modding skills, i certainly don't listen in on this board to have people dredge up stuff that was posted months ago.
I frequent it, to gather information from the owners that do have the game, to keep abreast of the latest developments and assist me in eventually purchasing this game, when the time is right.

And I don't think anyone has a problem with that. You're not detracting from the forum at all by doing that. It's the folks that don't have any intention of buying it that have made it their life's purpose to rail against Ubisoft, the developers, the DRM and worst of all, other members by in essence calling them scabs and flogging them for even buying the game, let alone enjoying it. That's the kind of crap I get tired of seeing.

[BlackSpot]

Excellent post Mookie.