Looks like Obama will have his own little private Army now.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA

Why dont we take care of it BEFORE they kill 6 million people?

there is a real novel idea!

That picture you posted is folly in its most pure form... it might as well read...

"Lets clear something up right now. All Cancer is bad in some way or another regardless of what kind of cancer it is, but until it causes you to lose 90 lbs and you start puking up blood we will hold off on diagnosing it as malignant."

the problem with having allegiance to a leader so much so that you will follow him to hell...

... is that may be the very place he leads you to.

Your post is based around your first two statements. So, simply asking, what, exactly, is there in existence to evidence that they (the government) will kill 6,000,000 people in a holocaustesque purge- and that this belief is something more than just a crackpot idea created by a bunch of paranoid morons who aren't fans of dissenting political opinions from their own? Because I'm hearing this kind of stuff a lot more nowadays from quite a few people on the Internet. It is, to say the least, disturbing. President Bush didn't kill 6,000,000 of his own citizens, President Obama isn't going to either.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It is, to say the least, disturbing. President Bush didn't kill 6,000,000 of his own citizens, President Obama isn't going to either.

That's funny, you've never been disturbed by such comparisons before.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

That's funny, you've never been disturbed by such comparisons before.

Oh really? Where have I seriously compared either one to Hitler before?

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Oh really? Where have I seriously compared either one to Hitler before?

I realize that English is a second language for you but that's not what I said.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

I realize that English is a second language for you but that's not what I said.

You said that I wasn't disturbed by such comparisons. So I ask again, where have I ever said that he was Hitler or agreed that he was Hitler with somebody else?

[NeonSamurai]

Do you guys ever take a step back and try to take a more unbiased look at things? I always find the interactions between the two political affiliations rather ironic, as they are near the same and the roles invert as one faction's leader comes to power. Yet neither group ever seems to see it, so wrapped up in their own groups ideology and rhetoric.

When Bush was in power the republican people were standing in defense of him, in general agreement with everything he did. The democrats were frothing at the mouth, calling him the next Hitler, and lots of other stuff, blaming him for everything wrong in the US, claiming that he did not represent 'the people' (love how both sides simultaneously claim to represent "the people" as a whole), was wasting trillions of tax dollars, was going to destroy democracy and the constitution, etc etc etc, plus all the usual the world is going to end stuff.

When Obama came in to power, both groups did a near perfect about face. Now you had democrats defending Obama, and republicans frothing at the mouth, saying pretty much the same stuff the democrats had said about Bush (oh sure there are a few differences over some 'hot button' issues, but the behavior and attitude is about the same).

Without meaning to be insulting to anyone, I am reminded of puppets dancing to the same tune, their limbs moving to the jerking of the strings.

[razark]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Do you guys ever take a step back and try to take a more unbiased look at things? I always find the interactions between the two political affiliations rather ironic, as they are near the same and the roles invert as one faction's leader comes to power. Yet neither group ever seems to see it, so wrapped up in their own groups ideology and rhetoric.

Yeah, our two party system does have some drawbacks. Especially for those who don't fit into either of the two major parties.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by razark

Yeah, our two party system does have some drawbacks. Especially for those who don't fit into either of the two major parties.

That would be nearly 100% of the population.

Oh and to the previous posts.. good job on the "tea party nut jobs" thing keep those talking points comming it up someday some folks might believe it. Oh wait some already do.

[tater]

The only person I know who went to any Tea PArties here in ABQ is my mother in law. She's a democrat (I've heard her banter with her republican husband many times on political issues, too). Volunteers at the art museum. She's a polling place worker (whatever they call the supervisors) and has been for years. She's as open minded a person as you'll ever meet. If she heard someone using a racial epithet she'd dress them down on the spot, too.

Hardly a right-wing extremist.

Regarding personal armies, I thought that he already had that. I recall the paramilitary guys who were intimidating voters in Philly, and his Admin dropped the charges recently, did they not?

[Bubblehead1980]

I am not part of it but the Tea Party movement has some great points and I have no problem with them unless they try to run a candidate for president in 2012 and take votes that will help obama win the election.The media and Obama admin try to paint them a racist, crazy right wingers but they are not.The majority or close to it are independent voters, around 10 percent are Democrats.Many blacks and latinos in there as well.Obama admin and lefties in media are just applying some Allinsky tactics.

Now, the clip I left showing obama talking about what he wants shows his intentions for the "civillian national security force" . Hmmm sounds much different the uniformed public health service eh? Obama for all his flaws, is not stupid, he is not as smart as some make him out to be but his intelligent and is an ideologue who wants to do what he can to accomplish his agenda.Now, he is smart enough to know he can't just come out and establish a new armed forced, so he played the system.I would love to know what Senator or Rep inserted this act of treason into the hc bill.Obama gets his "civillian national security force" under the guise of the already existent uniformed public health service.With them answering only to the President and being appointed only be the President, hmmm.Unfortunately people in his country often give a President the benefit of the doubt on things, simply because he is the President.Obama no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt and has not for a while.Honestly he did not deserve it during the campaign when all his shady associations came out but were overlooked for some reason. I know why some did, because he was running as a centrist and was the fresh new guy and everyone was tired of Bush.The time for that has ended though, "change" is happening before our eyes and some people refuse to believe it or acknowledge it.Either they are blind, stupid or do not mind us moving in the direction because they think it will help them and do not realize that.

I am not a wingnut conspiracy theorist, I am a young Conservative who would question a conservative president's actions just the same if he/she was doing things the way obama is and had the shady backround this guy does.Many others who dissent and raise the alarm about things that seem impossible but are happening are often attacked and called crazy etc but are often proven to have been right.I would bet back in Germany people who were warning about Adolf Hitler were called nuts and crazies and in many cases were prob murdered by Hitlers own private little army.Obama thinks he is doing what is right because his entire life he was indoctrinated in far left views.Obama's father and mother were far left, his grandparents were lefties as well.Obama's self described father like mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist.Obama admits to seeking out the radicals like socialists in college because he didnt want to be a 'sell out'.Given his positions in past , most of his actions as President, his associations, his comments, it all adds up and it is not far fetched to raise the alarm on this man creating this private army under the guise of the USPHSCC.

[GoldenRivet]

+1 @ neonsamurai

Though i initially held George W. Bush in high esteem and actually met him in a relaxed social environment (we were virtually 2 of the only 4 or 5 people in the room) he lost a lot of respect from me mostly during his second term.

I have since adopted the idea of viewing all politicians with a skeptical eye.

I am pro small government - pro states rights.

so needless to say i am rather unhappy about the Federal grab for power we have seen here in the past several years specifically.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Do you guys ever take a step back and try to take a more unbiased look at things? I always find the interactions between the two political affiliations rather ironic, as they are near the same and the roles invert as one faction's leader comes to power. Yet neither group ever seems to see it, so wrapped up in their own groups ideology and rhetoric.

When Bush was in power the republican people were standing in defense of him, in general agreement with everything he did. The democrats were frothing at the mouth, calling him the next Hitler, and lots of other stuff, blaming him for everything wrong in the US, claiming that he did not represent 'the people' (love how both sides simultaneously claim to represent "the people" as a whole), was wasting trillions of tax dollars, was going to destroy democracy and the constitution, etc etc etc, plus all the usual the world is going to end stuff.

When Obama came in to power, both groups did a near perfect about face. Now you had democrats defending Obama, and republicans frothing at the mouth, saying pretty much the same stuff the democrats had said about Bush (oh sure there are a few differences over some 'hot button' issues, but the behavior and attitude is about the same).

Without meaning to be insulting to anyone, I am reminded of puppets dancing to the same tune, their limbs moving to the jerking of the strings.

I see your point and yes I take a look back, always have.Things are different now though and we must get people to see that, this is not just politics anymore, it's a non violent war really.For the first time we really have a President who cares more about his dangerous ideology and his agenda than the health of the nation.Obama has shown disregard for public opinion(we the people) the supreme law of the US, the Constitution and his oath to uphold it because he does not value it and things its just something he needs to circumvent.Bush was not perfect but he does love this country and was not going after his critics like the Obama admin and did not have plans that included things like a private army, opressive govt healthcare etc etc The old game of this is just politics no longer applies as I said, this is a real fight for the future, to keep us as that shining city on a hill so to speak.We are in danger of turning into an oppressed nation, difficult for many to see but not impossible, just look at history, many did not realize it until it was too late.Reagan said it best....


"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

[JackAubrey]

I don't want to offend anyone, but reading this thread creates the image of the USA being a badly run banana republic. There's talk of a new Gestapo, disguised as doctors, the President building a Private Army from health professionals, taking away civil rights by providing healthcare and so on.

This sounds more like "People's Republic of Kneecapsia" and not like a industrialized, modern Country.

There's talk of a new Gestapo, disguised as doctors

Be afraid, be very afraid, once the gestapo have conquered true patriotic America who believe in upholding the constipation and have put the population in concentration camps they will get on a secret magic flying carpet which Obama purchased for his evil personal private air force and go to europe where they will do the same to patriotic europinians.

I am not a wingnut conspiracy theorist

Yes, a secret nazi army disguised as health workers and "hidden" in a piece of very public legislation doesn't sound like a crazy conspiracy theory at all.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by JackAubrey

I don't want to offend anyone, but reading this thread creates the image of the USA being a badly run banana republic. There's talk of a new Gestapo, disguised as doctors, the President building a Private Army from health professionals, taking away civil rights by providing healthcare and so on.

This sounds more like "People's Republic of Kneecapsia" and not like a industrialized, modern Country.

Nah, just a bunch of people choosing to interpret events in the worst possible way to further a personal opinion. That's their right. Don't take these posts too seriously. I don't.