Do we really want to ruin this forum with constant DRM and SH5 trashing?

[Jimbuna]

There is a lot of merit in what you have posted (heaven only knows how often I've read almost identical posts in recent months) so let us not try and reinvent the wheel.

As can clearly be seen, the community is divided over the most recent release of the SH series (and not for the first time).

Ubisoft are the only company currently offering anything in this genre and as such it could probably be argued that support in the way of sales for SH5 are vital if there is to be any more releases in the future.

The other side of the coin is for Ubisoft to consider....they are obviously aware of the strength of feeling and anguish within the subsimming community and as such IMHO it is down to them to show some measure of good faith with said client base.

Probably the best way would be to drop the need for DRM/OSP and release a few patches that fix/correct some of the fundamental problems with the game.

The community are confident they can rely on the modding fraternity to do their bit (as has always been the case) and Ubisoft are well aware of this too.

The question is.....Will Ubisoft play their part and meet us half way?

[janh]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The other side of the coin is for Ubisoft to consider....they are obviously aware of the strength of feeling and anguish within the subsimming community and as such IMHO it is down to them to show some measure of good faith with said client base.

Probably the best way would be to drop the need for DRM/OSP and release a few patches that fix/correct some of the fundamental problems with the game.

The community are confident they can rely on the modding fraternity to do their bit (as has always been the case) and Ubisoft are well aware of this too.

The question is.....Will Ubisoft play their part and meet us half way?

That is the point, indeed.

Besides SHV, there still is SHIII+GWX competing with it and as it stands (for me), the latter wins. I don't care much about the graphics, I want to simulate submarine warfare, so I need realism (historic), AI and features.

I'd give SHV a chance, especially that it almost reached the discounted bin after 4 weeks. But OSP-DRM is a NO by principle -- I would be screwed worse as a customer then a person that pirates it would be.
But it is nice that Ubisoft has repeated its traditions of early, buggy releases, minimzing content for shortening release cycles and helping it's stockholders gain wealth. Just not mine.

With the addition of the OSP-DRM Ubi luckily has given customers now a 2nd major reason to reject their products besides quality. It is so ironic that they sink their sales themselves. And push people to use pirated versions, or entirely ignore their franchise. I wonder where their markerting stragtegy department learned its job -- at a demolition school?

[Nordmann]

Most games tend to be more popular when modded, just look at the Total War series for example, Rome was basically a joke before the modders worked their magic. True, it should not be this way, but I can assure you that unfinished products are by no means a Ubi trait alone.

[vonTorpitz]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The other side of the coin is for Ubisoft to consider....they are obviously aware of the strength of feeling and anguish within the subsimming community and as such IMHO it is down to them to show some measure of good faith with said client base.

Probably the best way would be to drop the need for DRM/OSP and release a few patches that fix/correct some of the fundamental problems with the game.

The community are confident they can rely on the modding fraternity to do their bit (as has always been the case) and Ubisoft are well aware of this too.

The question is.....Will Ubisoft play their part and meet us half way?

Well, it seems that Ubisoft is beginning to make good on this release. Patch 2 is on the way (supposedly April 12) and the list of fixes looks good. Naturally, it doesn't address all the issues but 2 patches in just over a month's time says that Ubisoft is concerned and aware of the flak surrounding this release.
There are some amazing mods already available and the list is growing daily. When I first brought it home and installed it I was staggered by its state, as were many others, but my own personal aversion to this game lessens with every new mod I enable, and there are some damn good ones out already. After the upcoming patch the support of the modding community will undoubtedly gain even more steam. Confidence seems to be growing in SH5 and I think that pretty soon even the some of the worst detractors will be retiring their copies of SH3/4. The future is exciting. Good hunting!

[demonsss]

Ok stand on the prow of the boat, goto external view and your not there!! Also go back to your own view.. look in the water and no shadow..

Also watch the sun it nevers moves across the sky

Why cant we have a sim that is a sim... flight sim has had real weather for ages and a dynamic live enviroment ( the sky really works!! and stars that you can nav by)

When the internet goes off come back and weather changes, come back and ships are not on fire.. also when i was in port one time, there were a least two ships on land blowing up errr!!

Also bin the DRM its pants and im fed up with the problems, def going to wait at least a year before I buy another game from ubi, give them chance to sort it out.... Yea I will give them a chance... the chance to give all the paying people value for money and not have to wait... If you want us as beta testers then pay us!!

[CybaGirl]

Well this is how I see things.

I pre ordered and brought the Australian Collectors Edition ($109.00) as I have been so looking forward to the next installment of this series. However after installing it and playing it for a couple of hours I became very frustrated and angry with the game. I was very disappointed as it was nothing like SH3 and I guess I had high expectations of the game. Originally I thought it would be like SH3 but with updated graphics. But as soon as I loaded the game interface I realized it was nothing like SH3.

Now this may be good for some and maybe bad for others. For me it was bad and I do not like having to move around inside of the sub either. As this made me feel quite nauseated. I have this same problem with first person shooter games as well. Well the Call Of Duty series are the only ones I don't get sick from for some unknown reason. Then to make things worse there was no keyboard commands so I could move around to different stations. The graphics however were amazing and I was very pleased with these.

Anyway I guess I was expecting alot from this game and I guess my hopes and expectations were shattered.

Am I angry or upset about spending so much money on the game?

NO

Why?

Because the way I see it. Even though the game might not be to my expectations at the moment. I am happy to pay what I paid for the game knowing full well that I am supporting a company who continues to write, develop and produce the Silent Hunter series. Because without UBISOFT where we all be?

We would not have our Silent Hunter series and for that reason alone that would be an absolute tragedy.

Now for those of you who are bashing UBISOFT and saying they deserve this deserve that and you hope they go down. I have one thing to say to you!

PIPE DOWN!

You are not helping the situation any and if this is the kind of attitude you are going to have. Then this could be the end of the game that we all love and adore.

I don't know if you have noticed or not. But so many companies these days seem to be producing less and less for the PC and making more for the console kiddies. As I know decent WWI and WWII flight simulators are basically non existent for the PC these days! Yet there is so many of them abundant on these consoles made for kids!

Is this what you want to happen to our Silent Hunter series as well? Because if it is. Then keep bitching about the game and don't support the series by not buying it. I am sure UBISOFT will sit up and take notice and say well that was fun while it lasted. No point putting money and resources into developing something if people are not going to buy it.

No doubt sooner or later the game will be playable through all the talented and dedicated modders who are on this forum. So please be patient. You know all good things come to those who wait.

Sometimes you don't always get what you want. But you get what you need and I think SH5 has alot of potential but it also needs it's fan base to stick together and support the game. So come on guys stop fighting amongst each other and stop complaining about the game.

Because in this day an age where just about everything is about making money. If the Silent Hunter series fails to make money then I fear that any more Silent Hunter releases will not see the light of day.

Is this what you guys want?

Think long and hard about bashing the game that you love and adore. As I am sure the walls have ears.

Finally the experience I had with SH5 has been a great outcome even though the game did not live up to my expectations. Now the reason being is that I have re installed and gone back to playing SH3 after having not played it since 2006. I cannot believe how much fun I had last night! I didn't go to bed till 3AM and I have been asking myself why have I not bothered installing and playing SH3 sooner?

Anyway I look forward to the new mods and to the increased development of SH5 and in the mean time I will continue to play SH3 .

Just wish I was talented enough and had the ability to create mods myself .

[IanC]

Originally Posted by CybaGirl

Because the way I see it. Even though the game might not be to my expectations at the moment. I am happy to pay what I paid for the game knowing full well that I am supporting a company who continues to write, develop and produce the Silent Hunter series. Because without UBISOFT where we all be?

Support buggy unfinished SH5 or else we might never see a buggy unfinished SH6? I cant agree with that philosophy. Encouraging a company who dishes out inferior products, simply because they are the only ones making said product right now, is just wrong on so many levels.
But Im sure Ubi$oft looooves your way of thinking though.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by IanC

Support buggy unfinished SH5 or else we might never see a buggy unfinished SH6? I cant agree with that philosophy. Encouraging a company who dishes out inferior products, simply because they are the only ones making said product right now, is just wrong on so many levels.
But Im sure Ubi$oft looooves your way of thinking though.

Agree with that 100%

[Ablemaster]

Agree with many things said, ive used SH2 3, 4 and now 5, if nothing else UBI are consistant, all have been released with lots of bugs and obviously rushed through unfinished. Am happy to have a SH5 even in this state but cant help thinking that if a company got hold of SH and put the effort in, well it could be amazing. We all want an excellent SH and its a shame UBI put this out in such a bad state. I dont expect a SH6 or want one if its rushed through and unfinished UBI's reputation has taken a major hit here, fixing it will not mend the wounds, wish another company would take her on and give her the respect and work she deserves, this isnt a good way to attract new fans, thats for sure. As much as i want SH5 cant help thinking SH5 has been pushed out with no respect for the customers and blatently conned many, hell and that drm hell lets not go there. Its all a real shame, we all want SH5 to be all it can be, pity Ubi dont too.

[CybaGirl]

Originally Posted by JScones

@CybaGirl: So, you don't like SH5--in fact you called it "bad"--yet you want the Ubisoft bashers to "pipe down" so as not to end the game we all "love and adore"? I'm certainly confused.

Sorry didn't mean to confuse you. What I meant was this.

Yes out of the box I think the game is bad. Well it's not to my liking because it isn't like SH3. As I said in the beginning of my post and this is probably my own fault. I had expectations of SH5 basically being a copy of SH3 but with better graphics. Yes the graphics in SH5 are awesome without a doubt. But the interface and game play is not like SH3 so this disappointed me. But in saying this. This was my own personal expectation without even knowing anything about the game.

You see I went out and brought the game without reading a single review or looking at any screen shots. I did see the promotional video and I thought it looked awesome! Even if I was unsure about the game and had read the reviews on it I still would have brought it. The reason is because I have brought and still own every single Silent Hunter game that has ever been produced along with Silent Service and Aces of The Deep including the expansion disk. So after buying and collecting for all these years even if the game was bad. I would still want it in my collection as it deserves to be apart of it.

As far as piping down. Saying that you don't like the game is one thing and there is nothing wrong with saying this. As everyone is entitled to their opinion. But saying that you wish the demise of UBISOFT or you hope that they suffer from loss of sales and it hurts the company is another thing in my opinion. Why would anyone in their right mind want UBISOFT to become a distant memory like great companies such as Cinemaware, Dynamix, MicroProse etc.... Seriously, you would have to be out of your tree to want something like this to happen. This may not have been mentioned in this particular thread but it has been mentioned in others and on other forums and I sometimes wonder if people have their brain engaged before accelerating their mouth or should I say fingers in this case.

Originally Posted by IanC

Support buggy unfinished SH5 or else we might never see a buggy unfinished SH6? I cant agree with that philosophy. Encouraging a company who dishes out inferior products, simply because they are the only ones making said product right now, is just wrong on so many levels.
But Im sure Ubi$oft looooves your way of thinking though.

So how do you like running Linux? Are your games running well on it? What's the software support like? Any good? I mean you must be running Linux? As you couldn't possibly be running and encouraging an O/S from a company who has dished out inferior products in the past.

Who says it's unfinished? Is that your opinion or the opinion of the original designer and developer(s) of the game? If so. Can you please post the link where it's stated that the game is unfinished? Just because something isn't finished in yours or someone else's eyes doesn't mean that the software is actually unfinished. What this means is. In your opinion the game is unfinished and nothing more. Because it does not live up to your expectations nor does it have or does it do certain things that you would like it to do out of the box.

I wonder if you have ever tried explaining your philosophy to Windows users? I am sure many will not agree with your line of thinking. As Windows has no real competition! Yet they have and no doubt will continue to release buggy software in the future. Yet it is still sold by the millions! Its a fact of life not all software is ever finished nor is it 100% bug free. Yet people still buy it and people still support the companies who make such things. I mean even after all these years Windows XP is still getting updated and patched. Yet many believe this was the best O/S MS ever created.