How the hell did this happen??

CaptainNemo12 · 04-02-10, 05:45 PM

That is very strange indeed, would it be best to approach the convoy head on submerged from a 45 degree angle off the lead DD's bow?

Has anyone come up with a fix for this bug? Big realism killer IMHO.

HW3 · 04-02-10, 06:08 PM

I managed to slip into a convoy in March 44 guarded by 15 escorts from the front head on passing the lead escort at about 1000M. I was at periscope depth, silent running, and engines stopped. Admitted this is a very rare occurrence and I was in a type IXC. BTW I sank 2 ships and got away. The only thought I have is if the sea was rough, maybe your conning tower broke the surface and was spotted?

CaptainNemo12 · 04-02-10, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HW3

maybe your conning tower broke the surface and was spotted?

Impossible, by the time the DDs were within visual range, I was 40m beneath the waves

PappyCain · 04-02-10, 06:21 PM

Not sure if I understand this:

How could they detect an object underwater that is not making a single sound?

The concept is to ping or send a sound wave out and if it hits an object and bounces back then it is clear there is a object that requires additional investigation. Point is the sonar operator does not have to 'hear' your screws to ping.

I can only suspect that the angle of your sub to the vessel presented a good 'return' on the sound wave and he swung back to search and confirm.

Also "head-on" usually means nose to nose. Are you saying you approached head on? Bow to bow, or off his port or starboard quarter, or abeam?

I suppose the programmers have the answer BUT I do not want to know as that is an immersion killer for me!!! LOL I rather would like to think there are really lil' people in the game who make the decisions. ahahhaha.

S'

Jimbuna · 04-02-10, 07:46 PM

The game imposes upon us a sense of parameters that we'll probably never fully understand.

Keep as low a cross-sectional profile to the escorts and maintain a depth that allows no margin of 'porpoise' level and that should minimize your chances of being detected.

Rest assured, once you have given the enemy a 'sniff' of your presence, every tool in his arsenal will be activated to bring about your demise.

CaptainNemo12 · 04-02-10, 07:56 PM

I was approaching the DD head on at a distance of about 8000-9000m, by the time the DD was within 1000-1500m of me I was about 20 degrees off the DD's starboard bow, at 40m, engines stopped. What I don't understand is that I did not hear any "pinging" sound coming at me until after the DD somehow found me underwater. Do the DDs use some sort of inaudible sonar to detect objects underwater and switch to ASDIC when they detect such an object?

04-02-10, 08:14 PM

Shot in the dark.
Could SH3 be using ASPECT for hydrophone contacts, instead of SOUND???

pickinthebanjo · 04-02-10, 08:40 PM

Now I'm confused. I've hit at least 4 convoys on my career, this is my second career by the way. And in each of those attacks I've cut the convoy off and got in it's path way outside visual range. Then I cut engines and wait. When the convoy is passing over me the I attack.

But it seems that most people are detected when they should not be, hmm.
I don't understand why I don't have this problem, Your all using GWX3 and commander?

CaptainNemo12 · 04-02-10, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickinthebanjo

Your all using GWX3 and commander?

I am!

04-02-10, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickinthebanjo

Now I'm confused. I've hit at least 4 convoys on my career, this is my second career by the way. And in each of those attacks I've cut the convoy off and got in it's path way outside visual range. Then I cut engines and wait. When the convoy is passing over me the I attack.

But it seems that most people are detected when they should not be, hmm.
I don't understand why I don't have this problem, Your all using GWX3 and commander?

I don't have this problem. Just trying to figure out a reason, for those that do.
(And I never cut my engines off. Always 90 RPM.)

04-02-10, 06:08 PM	#2
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,576 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	I managed to slip into a convoy in March 44 guarded by 15 escorts from the front head on passing the lead escort at about 1000M. I was at periscope depth, silent running, and engines stopped. Admitted this is a very rare occurrence and I was in a type IXC. BTW I sank 2 ships and got away. The only thought I have is if the sea was rough, maybe your conning tower broke the surface and was spotted? __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

04-02-10, 06:21 PM	#4
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Not sure if I understand this: How could they detect an object underwater that is not making a single sound? The concept is to ping or send a sound wave out and if it hits an object and bounces back then it is clear there is a object that requires additional investigation. Point is the sonar operator does not have to 'hear' your screws to ping. I can only suspect that the angle of your sub to the vessel presented a good 'return' on the sound wave and he swung back to search and confirm. Also "head-on" usually means nose to nose. Are you saying you approached head on? Bow to bow, or off his port or starboard quarter, or abeam? I suppose the programmers have the answer BUT I do not want to know as that is an immersion killer for me!!! LOL I rather would like to think there are really lil' people in the game who make the decisions. ahahhaha. S' __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html Last edited by PappyCain; 04-02-10 at 06:55 PM.

04-02-10, 07:46 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The game imposes upon us a sense of parameters that we'll probably never fully understand. Keep as low a cross-sectional profile to the escorts and maintain a depth that allows no margin of 'porpoise' level and that should minimize your chances of being detected. Rest assured, once you have given the enemy a 'sniff' of your presence, every tool in his arsenal will be activated to bring about your demise. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-02-10, 05:45 PM	#1
CaptainNemo12 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	That is very strange indeed, would it be best to approach the convoy head on submerged from a 45 degree angle off the lead DD's bow? Has anyone come up with a fix for this bug? Big realism killer IMHO.

04-02-10, 07:56 PM	#6
CaptainNemo12 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I was approaching the DD head on at a distance of about 8000-9000m, by the time the DD was within 1000-1500m of me I was about 20 degrees off the DD's starboard bow, at 40m, engines stopped. What I don't understand is that I did not hear any "pinging" sound coming at me until after the DD somehow found me underwater. Do the DDs use some sort of inaudible sonar to detect objects underwater and switch to ASDIC when they detect such an object?

04-02-10, 08:14 PM	#7
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Shot in the dark. Could SH3 be using ASPECT for hydrophone contacts, instead of SOUND???

04-02-10, 08:40 PM	#8
pickinthebanjo Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 651 Downloads: 282 Uploads: 0	Now I'm confused. I've hit at least 4 convoys on my career, this is my second career by the way. And in each of those attacks I've cut the convoy off and got in it's path way outside visual range. Then I cut engines and wait. When the convoy is passing over me the I attack. But it seems that most people are detected when they should not be, hmm. I don't understand why I don't have this problem, Your all using GWX3 and commander?