Could this be counter productive???

Given what they have already tried I wonder how much further they will have to go to notch up the cruelty factor?

They've been doing that in chechnya for years ,but the more repressive and "cruel" the Russians have been getting there hasn't done anything to stop the attacks and now there seems to be more attacks in Russia itself - It seems like it's been an endless cycle where the Russians hit the Chechen's then the Chechen's hit back ,then the Russians come back at them with even harsher measures etc and it just goes on and on till its at the stage it is now where neither side can back down!
I've got no Idea how it can be stopped but you can't keep doing the same things the Russians have been doing there , all that does is make people think they've got nothing to lose so they may as well take some of the opposition with them.

[Skybird]

Beside any moral assessement, Putin won some years of relative "peace" by letting the army off the chain and pound Chechnya from here to hell, and back. After they stopped doing so, the djihadists regrouped, reorganised, the violence caused by them became even more religiously motivated (if that still was possible), and under new management and with restrengthened financial funding from Saudi Terror Arabia have promised to bring terror back to Russian streets, their leaders said.

If you accuse Russia to strike them hard, you also have to accuse Saudi Terror Arabia for encoiuraging them and fianncing them to revive the djihad. Note, this is not an independence war only, nor are these people freedom fighters. They fight for establishing a Caliphate in the southern provinces of former USSR. They always did since the 80s, but the focus in he past years has shifted massively from "independence" towards "djihad".

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Beside any moral assessement, Putin won some years of relative "peace" by letting the army off the chain and pound Chechnya from here to hell, and back. After they stopped doing so, the djihadists regrouped, reorganised, the violence caused by them became even more religiously motivated (if that still was possible), and under new management and with restrengthened financial funding from Saudi Terror Arabia have promised to bring terror back to Russian streets, their leaders said.

If you accuse Russia to strike them hard, you also have to accuse Saudi Terror Arabia for encoiuraging them and fianncing them to revive the djihad. Note, this is not an independence war only, nor are these people freedom fighters. They fight for establishing a Caliphate in the southern provinces of former USSR. They always did since the 80s, but the focus in he past years has shifted massively from "independence" towards "djihad".

The western world has been chasing ghosts this last decade. Its like the war on drugs, or on the mafia. Putting a streat dealer in cell might be a good public relation stunt, and in the short term is something good. But if you want to resolve the heart of the problem you go for the head. And in the case of islamic terrorism, the funding mostly comes from Saudi Arabia. Cut the head, you cripple beyond recognition these extremists groups.

[Safe-Keeper]

Bad guys fighting bad guys, in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Bad guys fighting bad guys, in my eyes.

Who may I ask are the good guys then? The Americans? They've been fighting for the last decade, more or less, in Afghanistan and Iraq and that hasn't exactly been a particularly nice war either. In terms of casualties Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf the Chechen conflict. And it's not like Iraq and Afghanistan are at US's doorstep like Chechnya is to Russia.

[CaptainHaplo]

Skybird - amen brother.

The younger these idiots are when they blow themselves to tiny bits, the fewer people they have time to convert to their insanity. Of course - they totally fail to notice those exhorting them to turn themselves into smithereens never are the ones who actually do it themselves....

Beside any moral assessement, Putin won some years of relative "peace" by letting the army off the chain and pound Chechnya from here to hell, and back. After they stopped doing so, the djihadists regrouped, reorganised, the violence caused by them became even more religiously motivated (if that still was possible), and under new management and with restrengthened financial funding from Saudi Terror Arabia have promised to bring terror back to Russian streets, their leaders said.

If you accuse Russia to strike them hard, you also have to accuse Saudi Terror Arabia for encoiuraging them and fianncing them to revive the djihad. Note, this is not an independence war only, nor are these people freedom fighters. They fight for establishing a Caliphate in the southern provinces of former USSR. They always did since the 80s, but the focus in he past years has shifted massively from "independence" towards "djihad".

So after a very brutal campaign the survivors got some more foreign backing and are back now, but instead of calls of independance(and the flat out and out criminality that was prevailant there before) are playing the tune of the financiers from the crazy wahhibi version of islam(which of course Sky insists is the only true version).

[Jimbuna]

All this talk about suicide bombers is getting blown up out of proportion!

[Q3ark]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

All this talk about suicide bombers is getting blown up out of proportion!

ha ha

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

All this talk about suicide bombers is getting blown up out of proportion!

They blow up much younger these days, agreed.

P.S. Let's have a daily dose of black humour. I say Yes! to black humour. The more PC nutjobs feel offended, the better!