Massive Price Drop!

Originally Posted by Coldcall

so why's everyone scared of going independent? I did so years ago, walked out of my job and started my own business.

Most of you are ignoring the elephant in the room in this matter. Why they will not go independent? One of the main reasons is that because they are not so good you think they are. It's very convenient for them to hide behind some Ubi marketing decision. You have the tendency to see them as "saints", but they are full of "sins". Alexandru Gris, the head project responsible, is not even with its feet down on Earth, he is very happy of the final product as result of its team work, he told me that, and if somebody think that I am lying, I can prove that. He told everybody, to his friends, to his relative, what a good project he finished.
Dan (elanaiba), on the otherside, have a little more decency than Alexandru, but he is not a saint either.
So please, try to stop separate those two entities, Ubi suits and Ubi devs, they belong to the same mother company, and the responsibility of success and failure belongs to all of them. No Ubi suit is responsible for the major bugs in the game, like morale system and so on, arcadish as it is.

Anyway, as I've told earlier today, some of you fully deserve SH5. Understand what you want from that conclusion of mine.

[Coldcall]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Most of you are ignoring the elephant in the room in this matter. Why they will not go independent? One of the main reasons is that because they are not so good you think they are. It's very convenient for them to hide behind some Ubi marketing decision. You have the tendency to see them as "saints", but they are full of "sins". Alexandru Gris, the head project responsible, is not even with its feet down on Earth, he is very happy of the final product as result of its team work, he told me that, and if somebody think that I am lying, I can prove that. He told everybody, to his friends, to his relative, what a good project he finished.
Dan (elanaiba), on the otherside, have a little more decency than Alexandru, but he is not a saint either.
So please, try to stop separate those two entities, Ubi suits and Ubi devs, they belong to the same mother company, and the responsibility of success and failure belongs to all of them. No Ubi suit is responsible for the major bugs in the game, like morale system and so on, arcadish as it is.

Anyway, as I've told earlier today, some of you fully deserve SH5. Understand what you want from that conclusion of mine.

No I dont see them as saints but i do think that if you wanted to create a new subsim from scratch those Romanian guys are a good bet to do it.

Also its far easier to get funding for a software project if you can show what was done before, and that this would be the same crew doing the new game.

[Zedi]

Gunnodayak, u still keep bashing the devs for some unknown reason. For me, the only responsible for this epic fail is only Ubi. I mean, u must be blind or something if you can't see that this is an unfinished product. There is no excuse for Ubi to launch a game with only the graphic part finished. They are the publishers, they should know better if a game is ready or not for release, is their job.

[Charlie901]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Gunnodayak, u still keep bashing the devs for some unknown reason. For me, the only responsible for this epic fail is only Ubi. I mean, u must be blind or something if you can't see that this is an unfinished product. There is no excuse for Ubi to launch a game with only the graphic part finished. They are the publishers, they should know better if a game is ready or not for release, is their job.

Well that's probably because the Devs may very well be totally responsible for this pile of Cr@p!!!

Lets just asume to say that UBI ordered this title out the door in it's current state. If so, it really makes you wonder what the heck it was that the Dev Team was doing with this title for 3+years when they already had the excellent foundation of SH3 & 4 to build upon. SH5 Graphics are nice but look what modders have done to SH4 with no code access and in a relatively short amount of time to make it comparable to SH5 graphically.

Lets face it, the Devs weren't; "Reinventing the Wheel" here. Case in Point: A mere week after SH5's release, tons of Mods were released, finishing and fixing many issues that any of the Devs could have addressed in an hour or so "With the Open Code lying right in their faces".

Makes me wonder if the Devs were just jerking around like most office staff updating their "Facebook" pages and playing Solitare rather than working hard to complete a quality product and UBI finally said; "Enough is enough", and pulled the rug out from under them, releasing this title in the stinking state that it is.

So until we know the real story I think its safe to say that we can't assume one group is guilty over the other of releasing this one as a stinking TURD!

[Coldcall]

Originally Posted by Charlie901

Well that's probably because the Devs may very well be totally responsible for this pile of Cr@p!!!

Lets just asume to say that UBI ordered this title out the door in it's current state. If so, it really makes you wonder what the heck it was that the Dev Team was doing with this title for 3+years when they already had the excellent foundation of SH3 & 4 to build upon. SH5 Graphics are nice but look what modders have done to SH4 with no code access and in a relatively short amount of time to make it comparable to SH5 graphically.

Lets face it, the Devs weren't; "Reinventing the Wheel" here. Case in Point: A mere week after SH5's release, tons of Mods were released, finishing and fixing many issues that any of the Devs could have addressed in an hour or so "With the Open Code lying right in their faces".

Makes me wonder if the Devs were just jerking around like most office staff updating their "Facebook" pages and playing Solitare rather than working hard to complete a quality product and UBI finally said; "Enough is enough", and pulled the rug out from under them, releasing this title in the stinking state that it is.

So until we know the real story I think its safe to say that we can't assume one group is guilty over the other of releasing this one as a stinking TURD!

Well i think its more likely that the devs told Ubi it was not ready and Ubi said, release anyway and you guys can do some patches, cheque is in the post. What are the devs going to do, refuse to hand it over? Remember Ubi are their bosses.

This is the problem with these large corporate publishers also owning all the dev houses making games today. The publishers own all the rights which mean they have all the power in the end.

This is why i stress the devs needs to ascertain their rights as artists and at least own a share of the copyright. Believe me this happen very soon when developers realise that they should have some control over their creative work, as do authors, artists, even journalists.

[janh]

[QUOTE=Gunnodayak;1335254] uups, deleted.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Most of you are ignoring the elephant in the room in this matter. Why they will not go independent? One of the main reasons is that because they are not so good you think they are. It's very convenient for them to hide behind some Ubi marketing decision. You have the tendency to see them as "saints", but they are full of "sins". Alexandru Gris, the head project responsible, is not even with its feet down on Earth, he is very happy of the final product as result of its team work, he told me that, and if somebody think that I am lying, I can prove that. He told everybody, to his friends, to his relative, what a good project he finished.
Dan (elanaiba), on the otherside, have a little more decency than Alexandru, but he is not a saint either.
So please, try to stop separate those two entities, Ubi suits and Ubi devs, they belong to the same mother company, and the responsibility of success and failure belongs to all of them. No Ubi suit is responsible for the major bugs in the game, like morale system and so on, arcadish as it is.

Anyway, as I've told earlier today, some of you fully deserve SH5. Understand what you want from that conclusion of mine.

Oh come on now....personal attacks or insinuations are not warranted or welcomed here.

It is obvious and acceptable that you have issues with SH5 in terms of quality and are highlighting the facts as you see them in a debate....but please, let us keep personalisation out of it.

This is not your finest moment, I'm sure your a better person than that.

[Zedi]

Well, I agree with the feeling that the dev team warned the fat guys from Ubi ceo that this game is not ready for the market. This is mostly because SH5 was released on market with AC2 and I supose these fat guys had a tight release schedule. Ready or not, we are going live. If we fail, the dev team will get the kicks, we play low and get fat.

I say that because I saw (and we all did) many pre release vids on YT, shots taken from the "closed beta" version of SH5. So there was indeed a beta version and there for sure was a long list of bugs. But I suppose was no time to fix them. All the bugs I saw on those beta vids are still here on the release version.

Only the forum rules keeps me back to not rage with full hate at Ubi ceo. This company is a joke and the fat dudes in ceo can play only with xls files, having fun only with the company revenues. These guys are not gamers, they suck and they have a huge luck with the AC2 success now. I am and I will ever be a Blizzard fan, the only game company I trust now where everybody is a hardcore gamer first, business man second. And they golden rule "it's ready when it's ready" made every game they release to be a master piece. Ubi deserve no respect, except the fact they are the only company who still make a sub sim.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Most of you are ignoring the elephant in the room in this matter. Why they will not go independent? One of the main reasons is that because they are not so good you think they are. It's very convenient for them to hide behind some Ubi marketing decision. You have the tendency to see them as "saints", but they are full of "sins". Alexandru Gris, the head project responsible, is not even with its feet down on Earth, he is very happy of the final product as result of its team work, he told me that, and if somebody think that I am lying, I can prove that. He told everybody, to his friends, to his relative, what a good project he finished.
Dan (elanaiba), on the otherside, have a little more decency than Alexandru, but he is not a saint either.
So please, try to stop separate those two entities, Ubi suits and Ubi devs, they belong to the same mother company, and the responsibility of success and failure belongs to all of them. No Ubi suit is responsible for the major bugs in the game, like morale system and so on, arcadish as it is.

Anyway, as I've told earlier today, some of you fully deserve SH5. Understand what you want from that conclusion of mine.

I'm really disappointed you think it's appropriate to attack these guys again. We talked about this explicitly. The dev team individually cannot post replies to your innuendo here. They cannot defend themselves against your "information". You are basically being a cyberbully by naming them and characterizing them in a negative light.

You can criticize the game and the dev team, intellegently, but don't start making character accusations by name, unless you are willing to post your real name, your company and your boss' name.

Because we have had this problem before, and I made it perfectly clear that was not acceptable, your suspension this time is going to last longer than the last. I'm guessing you won't care, you have done what you came to do and you probably think we're all idiots anyway.