Oh, my!!!!

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I never liked Bush, but I never subscribed to killing him. I think the point is the 'right' when Bush was in office called these nutjubs terrorists. Now that they are in the minority, why aren't they (the Right) criticizing their people doing it? Are the Right "wingnuts" now patriots, or still terrorists?

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Well Fr8monkey - I have been told that I if politics were an airplane, I would have 2 right wings..... Yet I stated, twice, that regardless of the "side" its done to or by, its wrong. But when you note that the media isn't reporting the different events between the presidents fairly, what makes you think they will report on the "fallout" from those they ideologically oppose fairly? Bit naive to think that they would, isn't it. There are those who do condemn such calls, but to report that wouldn't present the picture the liberal media wants - which is to paint anyone opposed to the agenda of the left as a "wingnut".

Torvald - that is the best response you can do? Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue, so you have to turn it into a personal slam by calling me a hack job? I thought better of you than that. Pity.

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Torvald - that is the best response you can do? Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue, so you have to turn it into a personal slam by calling me a hack job? I thought better of you than that. Pity.

I'd say that's pretty typical of the Torvald posts that i've read so far.

he was lived in Indonesia for four years as a child and attended Islamic schools.Facts, not opinions

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Damn that means Obama must be a christian , after all he lived in christian countries went to christian schools and had christian realatives

Obama's actions such as not supporting Israel as American always has

What utter bull, you demontrate one thing there Bubble .
You know bugger all about American history and will never learn anything of consequence about American history.
BTW have you discovered when America was getting attacked by Israeli terrorists yet? or perhaps when America found israeli spies stealing its industrial and defence secrets?
.....or have you discovered nothing apart from what your own small scale bigoted views which are detatched from reality will allow?

Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue

Haplo mentioned facts!!!!!!
He did it and used CAPS LOCKS too
I rest my case , Haplo must have been spreading bull

[AVGWarhawk]

He is a ChistIslamaBaptiEpsicopathlic. Oh, was not born a US Citizen either. I think he was born in Lamotrek Atoll. He likes crunchy Peter Pan peanut butter on Sundays.

He likes crunchy Peter Pan peanut butter on Sundays.

Well thats Ok, unless of course he goes for one of the supplicant religions where sunday is really saturday, but then we must consider Peter Pan....that heathen entity is an abomination, little baby jesus had to grow up and get nailed to a tree for saying people should be nice to each other.
What makes Peter so special that he doesn't have to grow up and be nailed to a tree?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well thats Ok, unless of course he goes for one of the supplicant religions where sunday is really saturday, but then we must consider Peter Pan....that heathen entity is an abomination, little baby jesus had to grow up and get nailed to a tree for saying people should be nice to each other.
What makes Peter so special that he doesn't have to grow up and be nailed to a tree?

I'm not so sure Peter Pan was an abomination...Michael Jackson was a firm believer of Peter Pan. In so much as he had Neverland and many plastic surgerys to make himself look like Peter Pan.





It is quite clear Peter Pan is real....well he was to MJ

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

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Damn that means Obama must be a christian , after all he lived in christian countries went to christian schools and had christian realatives



What utter bull, you demontrate one thing there Bubble .
You know bugger all about American history and will never learn anything of consequence about American history.
BTW have you discovered when America was getting attacked by Israeli terrorists yet? or perhaps when America found israeli spies stealing its industrial and defence secrets?
.....or have you discovered nothing apart from what your own small scale bigoted views which are detatched from reality will allow?


Haplo mentioned facts!!!!!!
He did it and used CAPS LOCKS too
I rest my case , Haplo must have been spreading bull

Tribesman,

The difference is this is a Christian nation.Although I do not believe in any of the religions, America was founded by christians on christian principles but did make sure it was not the guiding force in the government via seperation of church and state, so we are a christian nation.I said Obama is not a Muslim but is sympathetic to muslims due to his backround which prevents him from acting as he should when dealing with issues related to muslim nations etc

I know plenty about American history, just not your lefty revisionist history.Always made A's in history in college even though my professors were usually lefty revisionists like yourself and I called them out for it

bigoted views? I have no bigoted views, unless you are claiming my views towards muslims is bigoted which is simply not true.You however seem to have great disdain for Israel.Like any nation Israel is not perfect and has done things they should not have.The spying should not occur because we are Allies and share/sell most technology to them anyway but rest assured the CIA has spies in Israel and has done things not so great, but it is part of the game in the real world, not the gumdrop rainshow utopia Libs live in.I know of some incidents in which Israelis were found in the US and their trucks "tested positive" for explosives but never found any evidence of a terrorist attack.No connections to the Israeli govt was found.They were rental trucks, I bet half the rental fleet out there would test positive for something "bad" I know about The Lavon Affair in 54, I know about the USS Liberty incident.
So, yes I am aware of the not so good things the Israelis have done.I hope you are not one of those people who believe Israel was really behind 9/11

Again, neither the US nor Israel is perfect but we have been Allies for years and when it comes to the Israel/Palestinian issue, we should be on the side of Israel, no questions asked for the most part.They have fought and earned their right to exist.They should build all the settlements they want, they won the multiple wars and seized the lands.To the victors go the spoils of war.Should they choose to give them up, fine if not, too bad.No one else has the right to tell them to stop building.

[CaptainHaplo]

Bubblehead - it is a common misconception that the country was founded by "Christians". By definition, the majority of the founding fathers were deists.

While deism and Christianity share many of the same tenents, they do differ. Deists believe in a "higher power" - aka God, which is why there are so many references to the Supreme Being in our historical documents. However, deists may or may not place faith in specific tenents of the Christian faith - for example a deist may reject the notion of the Trinity, or they may deny that modern scripture is without error.

Because deism and Xtianity are so very closely tied, from a historical perspective people look at it as in "Well they believed in God and Jesus and I do to, and I am a Xtian, so they must have been - thus this nation was founded as a xtian nation" - yet the reality is much more complex and such a statement is inaccurate.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Bubblehead - it is a common misconception that the country was founded by "Christians". By definition, the majority of the founding fathers were deists.

While deism and Christianity share many of the same tenents, they do differ. Deists believe in a "higher power" - aka God, which is why there are so many references to the Supreme Being in our historical documents. However, deists may or may not place faith in specific tenents of the Christian faith - for example a deist may reject the notion of the Trinity, or they may deny that modern scripture is without error.

Because deism and Xtianity are so very closely tied, from a historical perspective people look at it as in "Well they believed in God and Jesus and I do to, and I am a Xtian, so they must have been - thus this nation was founded as a xtian nation" - yet the reality is much more complex and such a statement is inaccurate.

I am aware of deism.However this has been a Chrstian nation, thus why Christmas is a Holiday etc Personally, I am not religious so does not matter.However, there are some that more dangerous than others.

Basic point was someone with sympathies and deep family ties for a religion and it's followers that is the basis of the terrorist holy war that began on us really at Beirut barracks bombing in the 80's( a relative of mine was among the dead, never met him as I was born after) and continues today, can not lead this nation properly and he has shown it in his actions.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

The difference is this is a Christian nation.Although I do not believe in any of the religions, America was founded by christians on christian principles but did make sure it was not the guiding force in the government via seperation of church and state, so we are a christian nation.I said Obama is not a Muslim but is sympathetic to muslims due to his backround which prevents him from acting as he should when dealing with issues related to muslim nations etc

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/principals.html

To be precise.

Many Christians live in the US. And Christian culture has had an influence. As has had ancient Greece, Rome, etc. But the US is not explicitly founded on Christian principles, nor is it an explicitly "Christian country".

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/nation.html

http://bmccreations.com/one_nation/principals.html

To be precise.

Many Christians live in the US. And Christian culture has had an influence. As has had ancient Greece, Rome, etc. But the US is not explicitly founded on Christian principles, nor is it an explicitly "Christian country".

Interesting reading, read it before though.Thanks for links

[CaptainHaplo]

Christmas is a holiday in alot of countries - that doesn't make them Christian. I understand your point, and perhaps I am being a little too technical at this juncture, but being ordained and a history buff, this is one of those items that I just have to speak up on!

[Freiwillige]

Okay lets break this down.

1. 67% of Americans think Obama is a Socialist. I am of the 67%

Why would Americans believe that? Could it be the fact that his mother was an avowed Mao loving Marx kissing Stalin worshiping Che hugging Blow up the good ol' USA COMMUNIST! It isn't even disputed that his upbringing is pure Socialistic indoctrination. Further hiring known and openly Communists into the white house says enough to me. I don't dislike Obama cause he's half Black, I dislike Obama cause he's Red through and through. Redistribution of wealth ring any bells? Set off any alarms?

2. 57% believe that Obama is a Muslim. While I agree he was probably raised a Muslim or at least around Muslim influence I personally believe that Obama is an Atheist such as my self. Religion is a tool to this guy nothing else.

3. 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"

Again I think there may be something to this. Nobody hides the truth and spends an alarming amount to do so if there is nothing to hide. All that has been confirmed is that a record of birth exsist's but it is also known that you do not have to have been born in Hawaii to get one. I think eventually the truth will come out one way or another but it will be well after Obama moved on. Even his college records have been sealed, His thesis missing etc. Any paper trail that could confirm anything locked away...suspicious at least! So again I would have to agree that I believe there is something to hide.

4. 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."

Hitler like it or not for the most part united a nation, Obama is nothing close to Adolph. And as for the Anti Christ....I have to laugh. I think that people are giving him too much credit or have been knocked in the head with a Bible once to often.

The story is written by a guy that wrote a book called Wing nuts...No bias there obviously.

We are a country divided by two very powerful and corrupt party's.
Neither will serve our interests instead serving their own selfish agenda's.

The system is broken and I bet If I polled almost 100% would agree!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Okay lets break this down.

1. 67% of Americans think Obama is a Socialist. I am of the 67%

Why would Americans believe that? Could it be the fact that his mother was an avowed Mao loving Marx kissing Stalin worshiping Che hugging Blow up the good ol' USA COMMUNIST! It isn't even disputed that his upbringing is pure Socialistic indoctrination. Further hiring known and openly Communists into the white house says enough to me. I don't dislike Obama cause he's half Black, I dislike Obama cause he's Red through and through. Redistribution of wealth ring any bells? Set off any alarms?

2. 57% believe that Obama is a Muslim. While I agree he was probably raised a Muslim or at least around Muslim influence I personally believe that Obama is an Atheist such as my self. Religion is a tool to this guy nothing else.

3. 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"

Again I think there may be something to this. Nobody hides the truth and spends an alarming amount to do so if there is nothing to hide. All that has been confirmed is that a record of birth exsist's but it is also known that you do not have to have been born in Hawaii to get one. I think eventually the truth will come out one way or another but it will be well after Obama moved on. Even his college records have been sealed, His thesis missing etc. Any paper trail that could confirm anything locked away...suspicious at least! So again I would have to agree that I believe there is something to hide.

4. 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."

Hitler like it or not for the most part united a nation, Obama is nothing close to Adolph. And as for the Anti Christ....I have to laugh. I think that people are giving him too much credit or have been knocked in the head with a Bible once to often.

The story is written by a guy that wrote a book called Wing nuts...No bias there obviously.

We are a country divided by two very powerful and corrupt party's.
Neither will serve our interests instead serving their own selfish agenda's.

The system is broken and I bet If I polled almost 100% would agree!

We both broke the numbers down and gave similar responses, although, nice job

[Fr8monkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Well Fr8monkey - I have been told that I if politics were an airplane, I would have 2 right wings..... Yet I stated, twice, that regardless of the "side" its done to or by, its wrong. But when you note that the media isn't reporting the different events between the presidents fairly, what makes you think they will report on the "fallout" from those they ideologically oppose fairly? Bit naive to think that they would, isn't it. There are those who do condemn such calls, but to report that wouldn't present the picture the liberal media wants - which is to paint anyone opposed to the agenda of the left as a "wingnut".

There are about 15% on the right and the left that I qualify as "Wingnuts". It's not just one party.

Also, I regard the term "Liberal Media" tossed around as a joke... like Fox being fair and balanced. The liberal media is in large part held by people like Rupert Murdoch, a conservitive. If the news is liberal, why all the anti-Obama news lately?

Remember if your airplane has 2 right or left wings, you will just fly in circles.