Amnesty...

Which amnesty are you talking about?

The one that was proposed by the Bush administration and was soundly rebuked?

The one Reagan approved and signed into law would be a start

[SteamWake]

The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously. The Act also granted a path towards legalization to certain agricultural seasonal workers and immigrants who had been continuously and illegally present in the United States since January 1, 1982

Oh yes that one... not quite the sweeping reform you elude to. Read the language there. You wont see any of these sort of restrictions in whats comming nor will you see any 'path towards legalization'.

[Bubblehead1980]

Thing is we could easily stop illegal immigration and save America.National Guard on border, shoot people who are caught crossing illegally.Fine people HEAVILY or take their business license if they employ legals.Round up illegals, no questions asked and deport them.Sounds harsh and the touchy feely libs out there would prob slit their wrists, but would solve the problem fast.We have to do something before the hispanic vote is more powerful and it will be too late, would hate to see us end up like Mexico etc We're not getting the cream of the crop either from these places , just dumb ignorant people who breed like rabbits and cause us nothing but problems.

One of the few things I dislike about Reagan is his amnesty but even the gipper was not perfect.

Oh yes that one... not quite the sweeping reform you elude to.

I refer to a bill, elements of which are described as an amnesty.
Whereas you allude to a wingnuit conspiracy version of bill that doesn't even exist.
So "sweeping reform" is only applicable to your own nonsensical claim.

You wont see any of these sort of restrictions in whats comming

Ah the imaginary legislation again, yes it is hard to see restrictions in non existant legislation.

nor will you see any 'path towards legalization'

Is there some legal restriction on those drugs, they must be damn wierd to give hallucinations that strong.

[XabbaRus]

The thing Skybird is referring to isn't an official project backed by the government, it is a project by the Egality organisation.

http://giveyourvote.org/

http://egalitynow.org/
I personally think its nuts but I think Skybird hasn't presented it well, he made it out to look like something official.

[edit]
Doing some more digging and nothing but comes up for Marxist Egality organisation but a link to the BNP website comes close to top of google list with a link to what I posted above.

However I found this on wikipedia too...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giveyourvote

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

The thing Skybird is referring to isn't an official project backed by the government, it is a project by the Marxist Egality organisation.

http://giveyourvote.org/

Link. Just a crazy idea by do goody idealists...

Ah, yes, blind humanism with a backdoor advocacy for the death of culture.

[Oberon]

UK votes are barely worth the paper they're written on anyway, it's been a two horse race for years and both horses are lame.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I personally think its nuts but I think Skybird hasn't presented it well, he made it out to look like something official.

While I did not go into the detail (or lack of...), I did not indicate it is something run by government authorities. It is a public run campaign and they claim to already have gotten several thousand such "votes".

I could not believe it when I read about it first.

[CaptainHaplo]

Whats amazingly stupid about such a "project" is that there is no safeguard. Ok - so you want to "give your vote" to someone in Ghana. All it takes is one of the "Egalitarians" to decide that all the votes were to go for a specific party - and suddenly you have a single entity controlling the votes of who knows how many.

Ultimately - you abrogate your right to vote, you deserve the trash you end up with.

I just wonder how the US ended up with the trash we have in the white house and majority of congress. *Actually I know - but still....

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Thing is we could easily stop illegal immigration and save America.National Guard on border, shoot people who are caught crossing illegally.Fine people HEAVILY or take their business license if they employ legals.Round up illegals, no questions asked and deport them.Sounds harsh and the touchy feely libs out there would prob slit their wrists, but would solve the problem fast.We have to do something before the hispanic vote is more powerful and it will be too late, would hate to see us end up like Mexico etc We're not getting the cream of the crop either from these places , just dumb ignorant people who breed like rabbits and cause us nothing but problems.

One of the few things I dislike about Reagan is his amnesty but even the gipper was not perfect.

Hmmm?? I'm mostly lib, and I have no problem setting up minefields, sniper teams, etc., to close off the southern border. It's our border, we can do w/it as we wish, and if Mexico whines about it, too bad.

[JetSnake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The one Reagan approved and signed into law would be a start

That was a poison pill the dems put into the bill. I don't know why that wasn't vetoed, but it was probably one of those bills that would have had worse consequences to have vetoed it than passing it. Reagan was still the best president of the past 150 years, including that chud occupying the white house now.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by JetSnake

Reagan was still the best president of the past 150 years, including that chud occupying the white house now.

Um, no. Clearly superior off the top of my head:

Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, and (yes indeed) Obama.

I won't argue w/you on this, sort of like I won't be arguing about the sun rising tomorrow or the earth being spherical.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Um, no. Clearly superior off the top of my head:

Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, and (yes indeed) Obama.

I won't argue w/you on this, sort of like I won't be arguing about the sun rising tomorrow or the earth being spherical.

LOL isent that the same list O read as his beaming face proclaimed a victory?

Tell me whom is the defeated?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Um, no. Clearly superior off the top of my head:

Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, and (yes indeed) Obama.

I won't argue w/you on this, sort of like I won't be arguing about the sun rising tomorrow or the earth being spherical.

Lincoln I will say was good but not as great as he is made out to be, Booth took him out so Abe gets points to his legacy from everyone.

I used to think TR was awseome but I grew up and realized he was pretty dangerous.A few good things , but not a great President.FDR did a great job as a wartime President but New Deal was really a failure(which is a whole other dicussion)

LBJ? Seriously, terrible.The Great Society and all that crap.Civil Rights Act, sure a good thing to make Jim Crow laws illegal and all.Of course as the Feds tend to do they went too far and put in things like Affirmative Action in , which is just reverse racism, no longer needed and violates other's civil rights, those contradicting the whole point of the bill.Ah the crazy things bleeding heart Liberalism will make you do.Terrible bill and a stain on America.Between his bungling in Vietnam, BS of the Great Society and the BS in the Civil Rights Act, Johnson was not a good President.

I actually agree that Nixon was a good President.Clinton, well he was an OK President but he failed in important areas and had no integrity(I do not care he got a blow job, but he got on national tv and lied.The guy could have said, I made a mistake, it's between Hillzilla and I, I did nothing illegal, the end. No No, Billy had to lie and cause the huge episode he did.Clinton also shoulders some of the blame for 9/11 throughout the 90's we were attacked multiple times...WTC 93, Embassy in Africa, USS Cole and all he did was lob a few cruise missles here and there and arrest a few people.Never did any sweeping actions to go after their base as Bush did in Afghanistan, which even most Libs I talk to have admitted the initial decision to go into Afghan was correct. Clinton also played around with Iraq and Sadam Hussein in the 90's, which is why Sadam did not really believe Bush would invade, he had years of jerking America around with NO consequences other than a few cruise missles and plane strikes now and then.The housing bubble began under Clinton although the Clinton years were mostly prosperous times for America.Also handled the situation in Bosnia well, believe he did some welfare reform.For the good things and bad together, Clinton was OKAY.Would take him back over Obama in a heart beat, least Clinton was no such an idealogue than he moved to the center a bit and cared what the American people wanted.

I have to say how dare you rate obama as one of the best.That hooligan has done nothing but divide this country after he was elected under false pretences(ran as a centrist who cared, who was above politics as usual.Many of us were smart enough to see the most Liberal Senator in the US Senate was not going to be a centrist President, but America was drunk.Kind of like if you would normally never sleep with a fat woman but got a little too drunk and made that mistake, then vowed to never do it again, pretty much the same thing

Again, how dare you rate him as a great President when he lies constantly, has taken the muslims side and shunned Israel.How dare you rate him as great when he defies the American people when all polls show most did not want the healthcare bill to pass, esp after all the corrupt deals.How dare you say a President who had people like Van Jones, Anita Dunne(admirer of Mao) How about the racism he exhibited in the whole white cop black professor incident? How about the arrogant comment he made at the healtcare summit that if the American people do not like us passing this bill "Then that is what elections are for" Obama is dangerous.Is he the antichrist? No, is he Hitler or Stalin? I do not believe so. This jerk has an agenda that is not in line with America and hopefully one day will be looked at in history books as the terrible "one night stand with a fat girl" that he is so far.

Finally, Reagan is the greatest President we have had in a long long time, far exceeds the ones you listed.Reagan defeated the Soviet Union after decades of proxy wars and letting them jerk us around.Helped defeat them in Afghanistan and won the Cold War. The economic policies were great cut in personal income tax, moderate deregulation and tax reform.After a recession, long period of high economic growth occured with little to no inflation.On the negative side you had the Iran-Contra thing, which I believe because Reagan was an honest man, he had no knowledge of but was a stain on his admin.Handled Grenada and Libya very well etc etc etc Finally, the man legitimately loved this country and had great sense of humor and outlook on life,.No bitterness like obama and his ilk.No association with nutjobs like Wright, Jones, Ayers, Dunne etc No wonder he left office with 64% approval rating.