How's the hold out crowd holding up?

OakGroove · 03-19-10, 07:26 PM

What started as a objection against an atrocious form of DRM, has turned into objection of the product itself -the state it is in, the concept behind it. As someone said, they tried to cater all, and came with some malformity that i find hard to classify. To me it looks like a persiflage on SH3, stripped of the more complete and useful stuff, but retrofitted with different graphics and abstract "features", which mostly seem to be coming from a land that reality forgot. Same bugs, disfunct routines and shortcomings as it predecessors. Deja-Vu. 5 years in a row, and each release seems to be in worse shape than the previous. Long story short, still voting with my wallet, not only against this form of DRM, but also uninspired low quality products.

UnSalted · 03-19-10, 07:39 PM

Well it could be worse. With most games these days it seems the "casual" gamers want a romance option, same sex included.

Just be glad that all you have to do is talk to the crew.

Nafod81 · 03-19-10, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OakGroove

What started as a objection against an atrocious form of DRM, has turned into objection of the product itself -the state it is in, the concept behind it. As someone said, they tried to cater all, and came with some malformity that i find hard to classify. To me it looks like a persiflage on SH3, stripped of the more complete and useful stuff, but retrofitted with different graphics and abstract "features", which mostly seem to be coming from a land that reality forgot. Same bugs, disfunct routines and shortcomings as it predecessors. Deja-Vu. 5 years in a row, and each release seems to be in worse shape than the previous. Long story short, still voting with my wallet, not only against this form of DRM, but also uninspired low quality products.

So how much of this statement can one presume comes from your own experience?

To be against DRM is one thing. To be against the game as a whole requires well....oh I don't know....just playing it maybe.

hocking · 03-19-10, 08:05 PM

I truly believe that UBI has done incredible damage to this series, and I think they are doing incredible damage to PC gaming as a whole. Making something harder and harder to use simply makes people not want to use it.

With that said, I think UBI has created a huge opportunity for another developer, or group of developers, to create a competitive new authentic UBoat simulator. With all the mods that came out for SH3, there is incredible talent out there. Has there been any talk about a serious competitor to the SH series?

OakGroove · 03-19-10, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nafod81

So how much of this statement can one presume comes from your own experience?

Let's just say i´ve playtested the offline "Demo". Before jumping to conclusions, no, personally i didn't acquire the game in any shape or form.

Phoenix3000 · 03-19-10, 08:23 PM

Hi guys,

Well, I own SH5 - Collector's Edition, and yesterday I uninstalled it. I was just fed up with the bugs and gaming 'issues'!

I'm now planning on reinstalling SH3 with either GWX or LSH with some additional mods.

Graphically SH5 is better, but for gameplay a modded SH3 wins hands down.

Like many of you I will keep checking the SH5 forums for future updates, but for now SH3 is the game for me.

Just my 2p-worth...

Px3000

Nafod81 · 03-19-10, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OakGroove

Let's just say i´ve playtested the offline "Demo". Before jumping to conclusions, no, personally i didn't acquire the game in any shape or form.

I really don't know what to say to that. Some might think what you said is clever but it remains pretty clear what you did.

Frederf · 03-19-10, 08:35 PM

I appreciate the direction that SH5 has gone philosophically. WASD and being a "captain sim" and all that. I'm still not going to "get into the game" as yet because the execution is completely half-baked.

Half of the features have been lost in the player-interaction scheme changeover and we were dreadfully lacking in ability in SH3/4. The "you gotta run around and interact with crew" concept is absolutely sabotaged by the do-everything periscope interface and arcade-style minimap.

rditto48801 · 03-19-10, 11:10 PM

I had high hopes for SH5, hoping Ubisoft learned its lessons and would release a complete game this time, one that looked and played good.

Then came the DRM issue.
I lost much desire to get SH5 at that point.
(Ubisoft seriously needs to listen to some of the stuff said by Gabe Newell of Valve during the last GDC.)

Yet, despite the DRM issue, I decided to wait and see.
I was hoping to see excellent reviews of a game that was actually released in a working and easy to use state.
Maybe a solid game that would make the DRM tolerable, or lesser DRM that would allow for dealing with early minor issues easier to do.
What do I see?
What does Ubisoft do?
They leave in the absurd DRM and release a seemingly buggy and possibly incomplete game?
(They need to seriously pay attention to stuff recently said by Gabe Newell from Valve during the latest GDC.)

I see stuff saying that, despite its few good points, and even though the FPS and RPG elements look to be interesting, it still has, to me anyways, a few to many rough points that need to be smoothed out, a not to good tutorial, and bugs that need to be fixed. (and perhaps even a few 'features' that need to be reclassified as bugs/mistakes and 'fixed'/removed?)

So, I will still hold out, but I am a little low on hope right now.

For now, I get my sub needs via SH3 (a few minor mods and SH3 Commander), plus I got SH4 handy for when I get to missing US fleet subs.

thruster · 03-19-10, 11:43 PM

this is tragic.
never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.

Fantasm · 03-20-10, 12:07 AM

I think what is sad is that so many of you are 'settling'. the game is not in the best of shape... it's full of bugs, the whole DRM thing, the need to install a patch and mods to get it to run even marginally successfully... and I have to ask, WHY? Why are you all 'settling' for an inferior product?
Yes, it's great how the modders are toiling away to try and render it playable... I admire them.... or pity them... not sure which at the moment... LOL

Send it back, get a refund and tell them you'd be interested in a few months or a year IF they can get it right... You can bet a lot of software companies are looking at this and are saying, "Well, look, they were fed crap, sure they bitched, but they still paid for it.... "
What kind of software experience are you hoping for in the future... ? you're setting yourself up for failure.... This game is so flawed , there is no demand even for a pirated copy any more... Think about it, people don't want it for free....Assassins Creed 2 is out there in the wild, with cracks and the whole game in various incarnations.... but not SH5... because no one wants it....
It's truly sad...

robbo180265 · 03-20-10, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thruster

this is tragic.
never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.

Quoted for the truth.

If you guys feel that strongly about UBI and the DRM - why are you not posting this stuff on the Ubisoft forum?

This is Subsim , a forum dedicated to subsimmers. I totally understand why you feel the way you guys do, and have loads of respect for you too.

However, do you not think it would make a lot more sense to let Ubisoft know how you feel - rather than us subsimmers?

To be honest I'm having so much fun playing the game that I'm tending to ignore these "boycot Ubi" threads nowadays. I am however letting UBI know exactly how I feel about the DRM - on their forums.

03-19-10, 07:26 PM	#1
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	What started as a objection against an atrocious form of DRM, has turned into objection of the product itself -the state it is in, the concept behind it. As someone said, they tried to cater all, and came with some malformity that i find hard to classify. To me it looks like a persiflage on SH3, stripped of the more complete and useful stuff, but retrofitted with different graphics and abstract "features", which mostly seem to be coming from a land that reality forgot. Same bugs, disfunct routines and shortcomings as it predecessors. Deja-Vu. 5 years in a row, and each release seems to be in worse shape than the previous. Long story short, still voting with my wallet, not only against this form of DRM, but also uninspired low quality products. __________________ The idea that a company with more negotiating power over its customers will cut them a better deal is just bizarre. Mad Science spawns Evil Fiend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTZTzsYoZs

03-19-10, 08:23 PM	#6
Phoenix3000 Weps Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London, England (Usually in a pub...) Posts: 358 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	Hi guys, Well, I own SH5 - Collector's Edition, and yesterday I uninstalled it. I was just fed up with the bugs and gaming 'issues'! I'm now planning on reinstalling SH3 with either GWX or LSH with some additional mods. Graphically SH5 is better, but for gameplay a modded SH3 wins hands down. Like many of you I will keep checking the SH5 forums for future updates, but for now SH3 is the game for me. Just my 2p-worth... Px3000 __________________ Can you help? : http://www.WSPA.org.uk

03-19-10, 11:10 PM	#9
rditto48801 Mate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In the middle of a giant mitten. Posts: 54 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	I had high hopes for SH5, hoping Ubisoft learned its lessons and would release a complete game this time, one that looked and played good. Then came the DRM issue. I lost much desire to get SH5 at that point. (Ubisoft seriously needs to listen to some of the stuff said by Gabe Newell of Valve during the last GDC.) Yet, despite the DRM issue, I decided to wait and see. I was hoping to see excellent reviews of a game that was actually released in a working and easy to use state. Maybe a solid game that would make the DRM tolerable, or lesser DRM that would allow for dealing with early minor issues easier to do. What do I see? What does Ubisoft do? They leave in the absurd DRM and release a seemingly buggy and possibly incomplete game? (They need to seriously pay attention to stuff recently said by Gabe Newell from Valve during the latest GDC.) I see stuff saying that, despite its few good points, and even though the FPS and RPG elements look to be interesting, it still has, to me anyways, a few to many rough points that need to be smoothed out, a not to good tutorial, and bugs that need to be fixed. (and perhaps even a few 'features' that need to be reclassified as bugs/mistakes and 'fixed'/removed?) So, I will still hold out, but I am a little low on hope right now. For now, I get my sub needs via SH3 (a few minor mods and SH3 Commander), plus I got SH4 handy for when I get to missing US fleet subs. __________________ Darn the speed, full torpedoes ahead! Run Silent, Run Deep, Run them Ragged, Let The Prey Not Sleep.

03-20-10, 12:07 AM	#11
Fantasm Watch Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Why Settle? I think what is sad is that so many of you are 'settling'. the game is not in the best of shape... it's full of bugs, the whole DRM thing, the need to install a patch and mods to get it to run even marginally successfully... and I have to ask, WHY? Why are you all 'settling' for an inferior product? Yes, it's great how the modders are toiling away to try and render it playable... I admire them.... or pity them... not sure which at the moment... LOL Send it back, get a refund and tell them you'd be interested in a few months or a year IF they can get it right... You can bet a lot of software companies are looking at this and are saying, "Well, look, they were fed crap, sure they bitched, but they still paid for it.... " What kind of software experience are you hoping for in the future... ? you're setting yourself up for failure.... This game is so flawed , there is no demand even for a pirated copy any more... Think about it, people don't want it for free....Assassins Creed 2 is out there in the wild, with cracks and the whole game in various incarnations.... but not SH5... because no one wants it.... It's truly sad...

03-19-10, 07:39 PM	#2
UnSalted Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 130 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well it could be worse. With most games these days it seems the "casual" gamers want a romance option, same sex included. Just be glad that all you have to do is talk to the crew.

03-19-10, 08:05 PM	#4
hocking Sparky Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 154 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	I truly believe that UBI has done incredible damage to this series, and I think they are doing incredible damage to PC gaming as a whole. Making something harder and harder to use simply makes people not want to use it. With that said, I think UBI has created a huge opportunity for another developer, or group of developers, to create a competitive new authentic UBoat simulator. With all the mods that came out for SH3, there is incredible talent out there. Has there been any talk about a serious competitor to the SH series?

03-19-10, 08:35 PM	#8
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	I appreciate the direction that SH5 has gone philosophically. WASD and being a "captain sim" and all that. I'm still not going to "get into the game" as yet because the execution is completely half-baked. Half of the features have been lost in the player-interaction scheme changeover and we were dreadfully lacking in ability in SH3/4. The "you gotta run around and interact with crew" concept is absolutely sabotaged by the do-everything periscope interface and arcade-style minimap.

03-19-10, 11:43 PM	#10
thruster Electrician's Mate Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 139 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	this is tragic. never thought i'd see a thread on a supposed fan site devoted to sub sims actually crowing over the genres demise.