Did Ubisoft just deactivate all german copies of SH5? - Page 2

Nordmann · 03-19-10, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I don't know - has that been confirmed? I've only see references to one article that said that the game had been recalled, but I don't speak German, so I have no idea if the original article says that it is only the manual that is affected. There are versions of SH5 with a swastika in it, if that's what you mean.

Which versions? Because as far as I'm aware (going by the swastika mods made for the game on day one), it isn't in either the US or EU clients. It would be nice if someone could confirm that though.

Nisgeis · 03-19-10, 05:19 PM

I thought the US version had them in. But yeah

answers would be nice. I can see Ubi getting their knickers in a twist with all their versions - why they had to have so many is beyond me. If it wasn't in any version, then it couldn't have made its way into the wrong version.

Nordmann · 03-19-10, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I thought the US version had them in. But yeah

answers would be nice. I can see Ubi getting their knickers in a twist with all their versions - why they had to have so many is beyond me.

My country has no laws against it, and indeed many of the WW2 games localised for Britain have the swastika included. I was under the impression that the game was one client fits all, and thus did not have the historical markings.

Nisgeis · 03-19-10, 05:24 PM

As far as I know, there's a Europe version, which has no swastikas, regardless of their legality in whichever country, then there's a US version which has content unknown, but historically had had swastikas (SH3 UK version has no swastikas). Then there's probably an asiapac version.

I think Ubi have 'localised' versions for Europe as a whole, rather than individual countries. UK SH5 has no swastikas in.

Nordmann · 03-19-10, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I think Ubi have 'localised' versions for Europe as a whole, rather than individual countries. UK SH5 has no swastikas in.

Sounds about right, lazy buggers.

EAF274 Johan · 03-19-10, 05:46 PM

Apart from the illegal symbology, is the Collector's Edition manual actually useful?

Nisgeis · 03-19-10, 05:50 PM

The UK version has a printed manual and it's more useful than the PDF version, as the graphics are higher resolution - the PDF is just awfully blurry. The actual 'content' is the same, so not really useful no

. No idea what the strategy guide contains... I heard it's not so good.

Skybird · 03-19-10, 06:28 PM

Gilbou · 03-19-10, 07:10 PM

So how do they do in Germany with pictures from WW2 ?

Pretend it did not happen ? That flags were just red with a white
circle ?

This is close to the red line of rewriting history...

Denying history and truth is not a step in the direction of
intellectual and moral rightness.

What matters is stuff to be historically correct. I really feel
uneasy when some people (a minority) comes and tells you
what you can say/write/show about something, a part of
history. There's something wrong there. You wonder what
will be under control next.

CaptainHaplo · 03-19-10, 07:26 PM

Actual historical archives I believe are exempt from the law. It has to do with selling items that may include the symbology - aka - making money now off of something with a connection to the symbol.

Skybird or another of our german friends could probably clarify for us.

GFC Christian · 03-19-10, 07:38 PM

Guten Abend,

page 15 of the German CE "Bible".....

UBISOFT called back all Collectors Edition from the stores here in Germany......and a lot of people used this opportunity to get their money back.

Actually everybody is searching for a swastika in Assassins Creed II...

The Swastika is a so called "anticonstitutional symbol" and therefore prohibited. It's allwed to show it in coherence with "social or historical reconnaissance".

Feldpost · 03-19-10, 07:53 PM

Ahoi,

i just came home to Wilhelmshaven from Trondheim, sailing with the german Collectors-Edition in germany

So i still can play that version in germany. Haven't got any EMail from Ubisoft yet but Amazon (where i bought it) sent me an EMail: I can send the game back for money refund if i want.
Also Amazon gave me a 5Eur gift coupon for that embarrassing circumstances

Skybird · 03-19-10, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Actual historical archives I believe are exempt from the law. It has to do with selling items that may include the symbology - aka - making money now off of something with a connection to the symbol.

Skybird or another of our german friends could probably clarify for us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbotsgesetz_1947

Seeadler · 03-19-10, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Actual historical archives I believe are exempt from the law. It has to do with selling items that may include the symbology - aka - making money now off of something with a connection to the symbol.

The restriction of swastikas in public were imposed upon us by the Allied Control Council in 1945 and had to be included in the new republic laws.

exceptions:
Im Germany, the display of swastikas is allowed for civic education, in art or science, research and reporting regarding historical events, or history.

Computer games are categorized here as a toys and therefore not fall under these exceptions.

As for topic:
Ubisoft did not deactivate any german copy of the game.
They have stopped only the distribution of the CE in Germany and offers the customers who have already purchased this CE, to return this version and get money refund if they wish.

Irichanu · 03-19-10, 08:52 PM

IIRC, history books in Germany have swastikas for educational purposes. If they start removing them from everywhere, it would be like using 1984 as an instruction manual.

03-19-10, 05:19 PM	#17
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	I thought the US version had them in. But yeah answers would be nice. I can see Ubi getting their knickers in a twist with all their versions - why they had to have so many is beyond me. If it wasn't in any version, then it couldn't have made its way into the wrong version. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

03-19-10, 05:24 PM	#19
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	As far as I know, there's a Europe version, which has no swastikas, regardless of their legality in whichever country, then there's a US version which has content unknown, but historically had had swastikas (SH3 UK version has no swastikas). Then there's probably an asiapac version. I think Ubi have 'localised' versions for Europe as a whole, rather than individual countries. UK SH5 has no swastikas in. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

03-19-10, 05:46 PM	#21
EAF274 Johan Ensign Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gent, Belgium Posts: 228 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Apart from the illegal symbology, is the Collector's Edition manual actually useful? __________________ *Rock 'n' roll is the only religion that will never let you down*

03-19-10, 05:50 PM	#22
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	The UK version has a printed manual and it's more useful than the PDF version, as the graphics are higher resolution - the PDF is just awfully blurry. The actual 'content' is the same, so not really useful no . No idea what the strategy guide contains... I heard it's not so good. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

03-19-10, 06:28 PM	#23
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,668 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	__________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-19-10, 07:10 PM	#24
Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	So how do they do in Germany with pictures from WW2 ? Pretend it did not happen ? That flags were just red with a white circle ? This is close to the red line of rewriting history... Denying history and truth is not a step in the direction of intellectual and moral rightness. What matters is stuff to be historically correct. I really feel uneasy when some people (a minority) comes and tells you what you can say/write/show about something, a part of history. There's something wrong there. You wonder what will be under control next.

03-19-10, 07:26 PM	#25
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Actual historical archives I believe are exempt from the law. It has to do with selling items that may include the symbology - aka - making money now off of something with a connection to the symbol. Skybird or another of our german friends could probably clarify for us. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

03-19-10, 07:38 PM	#26
GFC Christian Seaman Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 37 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Guten Abend, page 15 of the German CE "Bible"..... UBISOFT called back all Collectors Edition from the stores here in Germany......and a lot of people used this opportunity to get their money back. Actually everybody is searching for a swastika in Assassins Creed II... The Swastika is a so called "anticonstitutional symbol" and therefore prohibited. It's allwed to show it in coherence with "social or historical reconnaissance". Last edited by GFC Christian; 03-19-10 at 07:51 PM.

03-19-10, 07:53 PM	#27
Feldpost Watch Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Ahoi, i just came home to Wilhelmshaven from Trondheim, sailing with the german Collectors-Edition in germany So i still can play that version in germany. Haven't got any EMail from Ubisoft yet but Amazon (where i bought it) sent me an EMail: I can send the game back for money refund if i want. Also Amazon gave me a 5Eur gift coupon for that embarrassing circumstances

03-19-10, 08:52 PM	#30
Irichanu Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 13 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	IIRC, history books in Germany have swastikas for educational purposes. If they start removing them from everywhere, it would be like using 1984 as an instruction manual.