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tater · 03-19-10, 02:14 PM

Altering a savegame is a crack?

Nisgeis · 03-19-10, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Altering a savegame is a crack?

In conjuction with a cracked exe, yes.

tater · 03-19-10, 02:18 PM

Clearly a cracked exe is a crack, and wrong. I didn't say a cracked exe though, just a legal owner prevented from playing by sysadmin incompetence, for example.

Nisgeis · 03-19-10, 02:23 PM

Altering the save game wouldn't work on its own, as you can't play any part of the campaign or start the game without an internet connection, so if you can't load the altered save game, because the game won't start, it can't be used to bypass the DRM, without also being used in conjunction with a cracked exe.

Rockin Robbins · 03-19-10, 02:24 PM

Well all that remains to be seen, as I have only the word of the modder that it does nothing to defeat the DRM. I'd be glad to supply links to Webster or any moderator by PM so you can check it out for yourself to see where you think the judgment call on this one lies.

One thing for sure. Ubi Forums missed the call by a mile. If it is something impermissible, they have not come up with a reason that stands scrutiny. Maybe you guys can kick the tires and see if it drives.

The Enigma · 03-19-10, 02:29 PM

Its a thin line we are talking about, but to qoute a forum admin from another mod site:

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However, I have been modding SH3 and SH4 since the beginning,
so I would think I know just a little about it, and in that post of yours it looks
more like a tutorial of how to play a legal copy offline, as 95 % of the
community wishes it, than a description as to how to crack it.

A crack is defined in modifying the executive files with the file extension exe.
So far, I see nowhere a description as how to crack it. Nor do I see links to
the so called crack.
I see a description as to how to modify text files plus adding units from
previous versions, just like modders have done between SH3 and SH4.
As long as it follows that pattern, and that alone, I will allow it for now.
But it may change. Only time will tell. I cannot guarantee it.
Please understand.

tater · 03-19-10, 02:45 PM

I admit I had a lot of trouble understanding the thread, but no where does it say anything about touching any file that is not a simple text file. If the "fix" proposed only works after the game has started via a proper connection, and simply allows you to progress after you for some reason lose connection, it doesn't even defeat the DRM, just allows online play after a disconnect.

The Enigma · 03-19-10, 02:54 PM

@tater
I would gladly talk about the if and how (from a mod on the web) in here at subsim, but I'm not sure if that is allowed.

(I don't want to end in the brick)

So I won't react on your post Tater.

tater · 03-19-10, 03:16 PM

I'd not talk about anything if it involves a crack.

I see how it could be used with one, certainly. The general issue is how crappy a drm is that could ever be defeated so trivially if that combination were in effect.

Had they simply added an offline option, no one would have poked around, lol.

03-19-10, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I admit I had a lot of trouble understanding the thread, but no where does it say anything about touching any file that is not a simple text file. If the "fix" proposed only works after the game has started via a proper connection, and simply allows you to progress after you for some reason lose connection, it doesn't even defeat the DRM, just allows online play after a disconnect.

but how can you possibly lose connection and still be playing "online" if you are disconnected?

to me it sounds like bill clinton saying it depends on your definition of what "is" is or how sex isnt sex just because he doesnt consider it sex.

i see both sides here and agree its a fuzzy area but all i see is a crack trying to be passed off within the rules with some PC description of what it does.

a while back there was a sh4 thread with a "hack" for the exe file, it was a flat out mod for faster loading or something (i cant remember) but it wasnt a crack for anything being bypassed but it was a hacked exe and therefore not allowed so there is an example of even if its action and intent is pure and legal its the bypassing of the check thats at issue and illegal

i think neal has the only opinion that really matters here since he is the final authority on what is or isnt allowed so its best to play it safe and not discuss the specifics until he gives his opinion on this so called "mod"

talking about it in "general terms" without specifics is IMO ok

jerm138 · 03-20-10, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

it sounds like bill clinton saying it depends on your definition of what "is" is or how sex isnt sex just because he doesnt consider it sex.

i ... agree its a fuzzy area but all i see is a crack

03-19-10, 02:23 PM	#4
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Altering the save game wouldn't work on its own, as you can't play any part of the campaign or start the game without an internet connection, so if you can't load the altered save game, because the game won't start, it can't be used to bypass the DRM, without also being used in conjunction with a cracked exe. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

03-19-10, 02:24 PM	#5
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Well all that remains to be seen, as I have only the word of the modder that it does nothing to defeat the DRM. I'd be glad to supply links to Webster or any moderator by PM so you can check it out for yourself to see where you think the judgment call on this one lies. One thing for sure. Ubi Forums missed the call by a mile. If it is something impermissible, they have not come up with a reason that stands scrutiny. Maybe you guys can kick the tires and see if it drives. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-19-10, 02:54 PM	#8
The Enigma Seer of visions Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under the surface Posts: 2,315 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	@tater I would gladly talk about the if and how (from a mod on the web) in here at subsim, but I'm not sure if that is allowed. (I don't want to end in the brick) So I won't react on your post Tater. __________________

03-19-10, 02:14 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Altering a savegame is a crack?

03-19-10, 02:18 PM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Clearly a cracked exe is a crack, and wrong. I didn't say a cracked exe though, just a legal owner prevented from playing by sysadmin incompetence, for example.

03-19-10, 02:45 PM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I admit I had a lot of trouble understanding the thread, but no where does it say anything about touching any file that is not a simple text file. If the "fix" proposed only works after the game has started via a proper connection, and simply allows you to progress after you for some reason lose connection, it doesn't even defeat the DRM, just allows online play after a disconnect.

03-19-10, 03:16 PM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'd not talk about anything if it involves a crack. I see how it could be used with one, certainly. The general issue is how crappy a drm is that could ever be defeated so trivially if that combination were in effect. Had they simply added an offline option, no one would have poked around, lol.