What do you think about the destroyer AI?

Nisgeis · 03-17-10, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

SH5 is supposed to have special scripts governing AI reaction. Has anyone seen this?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

I guess i,m just longing for some das boot moments though. I mean it gets kind of boring getting away with it every single time. I could provoke them offcourse but that isnt realisic.

Well, the U-boats best shot was when they were undetected. If they got detected before they attacked, the convoy would turn away and it would scupper their plans - this happens in game now and is a huge improvement! It's also been written by sub commanders that the best way to get away was to strike first and cause confusion in the convoy and slip away whilst they were in a mess. It was when they weren't the first to strike that things got hot.

I know what you mean about the 'Das Boot' moments, but sadly my experience of DCs in SH3 and SH4 stock was that they either tickled you, or destroyed you and there wasn't much in between.

SabreHawk · 03-17-10, 03:10 PM

I dont know yet, but if they aint any better than the air forces the British are in real trouble.
All up and down the east coast I sailed for four days, and we spotted aircraft at least three times each day and they either didnt see us, or were too chicken to come down and take us on. Several flew straight overhead and yet flew on without firing a shot or coming in for a closer look.

Bilge_Rat · 03-17-10, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Yes.

care to provide some details? I'm curious.

Nisgeis · 03-17-10, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

care to provide some details? I'm curious.

*** POTENTIAL SPOILER! DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE AI! ***

There is AI code for operation plaster, pineapple, raspberry and creep attacks. I haven't checked to see if it all functions as it should, but I'm looking at it. I want to get ships to slowdown or stop to assess damage (I've got them to stop, but making them start up again will need some thought). Also, looking to see if I can do any realistic AI ASW, so they act intelligently, rather than relying on boosting their sensors.

Ducimus · 03-17-10, 03:43 PM

>>rather than relying on boosting their sensors.

That would be ideal. My way of making the ai more "intelligent" is old school and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

oscar19681 · 03-17-10, 06:51 PM

The destroyers also seem to reluctant to ping me even though they are passing over me direcly. I dont really want to boost there sensors because i,m affraid that would unbalance the realism. I just want them to behave as much as possible in real life. One more thing i noticed is that when my scope is spotted my merchents the destoyers do check it out and sometimes they dont. And if they do they dont charge to my scope like in sh-3 but they do so at 2 knots or so.

Task Force · 03-17-10, 07:03 PM

Never was attacked by a DD, sailed right next to them and waved HI.

Nafod81 · 03-17-10, 08:33 PM

Usually they scatter and failing to locate me depth charge random space. Unfortuantely they sometimes lock onto my course changes offset by a few kilometers, which is fine provided there is a landmass nearby. Of course if this lock is a mere few meters it's trouble.

bigboywooly · 03-19-10, 01:18 PM

Have been pinged many times
Even DCd
But they are also stoopid
Had 4 sailing in a box formation so positioned myself inbetween the 2 columns
Sank the lead of each with stern and bow then the second with the bow
Then had to move position to hit the rear column second ship with the bow
NOT ONCE did they alter from course or speed
Result 4 sunk DDs

Sometimes in a convoy they wont react to sinkings
Others they will try to find you - hence the DCings

Maybe as a result of crew experience but some are so dumb

Ducimus · 03-17-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

The destroyers also seem to reluctant to ping me even though they are passing over me direcly.

Two leading reasons for that are:

a.) Thermal layers are active when they shouldn't be.

b.) First two active sonars only have a 100 degree max elevation. That means they loose you at much shallower depths.

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I dont really want to boost there sensors because i,m affraid that would unbalance the realism.

How do you define realism? By god this is the "Atlantik!" Das boot das boot! No wussy Jap ASW here! Deeper Chief! Deeper god dammit! Yes Deeper still My god, 280 meters and she's still in one piece! Quick, bring in some timbers for shoring!

Das boot experience is what's wanted right?

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I just want them to behave as much as possible in real life

If your looking for exacting real life behavior, that might be awhile. Nigesis may be able to get you there. In the meantime, you got the "close enough" option.

03-17-10, 03:10 PM	#2
SabreHawk Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, Wa. USA Posts: 530 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I dont know yet, but if they aint any better than the air forces the British are in real trouble. All up and down the east coast I sailed for four days, and we spotted aircraft at least three times each day and they either didnt see us, or were too chicken to come down and take us on. Several flew straight overhead and yet flew on without firing a shot or coming in for a closer look. __________________ "Chance favors the prepared mind"

03-17-10, 06:51 PM	#6
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	The destroyers also seem to reluctant to ping me even though they are passing over me direcly. I dont really want to boost there sensors because i,m affraid that would unbalance the realism. I just want them to behave as much as possible in real life. One more thing i noticed is that when my scope is spotted my merchents the destoyers do check it out and sometimes they dont. And if they do they dont charge to my scope like in sh-3 but they do so at 2 knots or so. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

03-17-10, 07:03 PM	#7
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Never was attacked by a DD, sailed right next to them and waved HI. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

03-19-10, 01:18 PM	#9
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Have been pinged many times Even DCd But they are also stoopid Had 4 sailing in a box formation so positioned myself inbetween the 2 columns Sank the lead of each with stern and bow then the second with the bow Then had to move position to hit the rear column second ship with the bow NOT ONCE did they alter from course or speed Result 4 sunk DDs Sometimes in a convoy they wont react to sinkings Others they will try to find you - hence the DCings Maybe as a result of crew experience but some are so dumb __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

03-17-10, 03:43 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	>>rather than relying on boosting their sensors. That would be ideal. My way of making the ai more "intelligent" is old school and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

03-17-10, 08:33 PM	#8
Nafod81 Loader Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Saint Louis MO Posts: 87 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Usually they scatter and failing to locate me depth charge random space. Unfortuantely they sometimes lock onto my course changes offset by a few kilometers, which is fine provided there is a landmass nearby. Of course if this lock is a mere few meters it's trouble.