Has Anybody Bothered to Read This

FIREWALL · 03-17-10, 12:01 PM

http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/index.ph...95ZWFyPQ%3D%3D

Comments Anyone ?

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alexradu89 · 03-17-10, 12:12 PM

I have, and even though their profits have increased from the previous years, this year their profit has decreased a little, and overall they are actually having an overall lower profit(even though almost each year it rises, that's pretty normal and it doesn't mean they're getting filthy rich). With every passing year it's normal for a company to have an increase in earnings if the business runs on a constant path, but seeing UBI's figures, theirs aren't really increasing but stagnating or maybe even decreasing slowly. (most likely 10x to DRM)

Echo76 · 03-17-10, 12:23 PM

Well, I have experienced the innovative solution for decreasing PC game piracy they have provided.

FIREWALL · 03-17-10, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexradu89

I have, and even though their profits have increased from the previous years, this year their profit has decreased a little, and overall they are actually having an overall lower profit(even though almost each year it rises, that's pretty normal and it doesn't mean they're getting filthy rich). With every passing year it's normal for a company to have an increase in earnings if the business runs on a constant path, but seeing UBI's figures, theirs aren't really increasing but stagnating or maybe even decreasing slowly. (most likely 10x to DRM)

My thoughts too.

With their release of a batch of more popular Online games, I see the Little Fish, SH5, DOOMED.

Diopos · 03-17-10, 12:27 PM

Quote from the link:
"...
These refocusing measures also comprise a reduction in new creations investments, which will enable Ubisoft to rebalance its existing resources on a constant headcount basis. This strategy will provide heightened visibility and profitability with a lower level of risk, thereby accelerating the generation of cash flow. ..."

Combined with:

"...
− Uplay™, a portal for gamers launched in late 2009 with Assassin’s Creed® 2, which is set to become the online hub for Ubisoft® games.
− A platform of online services for PC titles offering gamers a more in-depth gaming experience as well as providing an innovative solution for reducing PC game piracy. The first games to benefit from this solution will be released in the coming months..."

And combined with the need of permanent connection to UBI to play even a single player game,
equals to:

- SMOKE ON THE HORIZON ! I think it's a PAY per PLAY convoy sir !!!!!

Boy, things are really changing aren't they ?!

Echo76 · 03-17-10, 12:29 PM

"In line with the announcement January 13 announcement, ***soft continues to refocus its high-end games strategy by concentrating on more regular releases for its major franchises." I guess SH series will be ditched :/

Bilge_Rat · 03-17-10, 12:30 PM

what part exactly?

They are losing money this year, but that is not entirely unexpected in a recession. Unnecessary expenses like games is the first thing families cut from their budget.

RSColonel_131st · 03-17-10, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos

- SMOKE ON THE HORIZON ! I think it's a PAY per PLAY convoy sir !!!!!

Boy, things are really changing aren't they ?!

Congrats for making the connection too. Many seem not to bother about those implications, but I already wrote last year that this is the "future" (rather "backward death") of PC gaming ahead.

Since Constant Online DRM costs a pretty penny to maintain and didn't stop the pirates even a week, it must be good for something else otherwise UBI wouldn't bother. That "else" is what you just pointed out.

FIREWALL · 03-17-10, 12:44 PM

I wonder if the prices will rise on Ebay\Amazon for non drm games ?

Of course I mean in the near future if Uplay is the standard.

janh · 03-17-10, 12:56 PM

To be honest, for a good titles with high development cost but small audience the price ought be higher. See WITP-AE. It seems to work for Matrix there.

It is all about what you offer. I played SHIII for how many years now? Or Operation Flashpoint for almost 8 years before I switched to Arma2. Especially due to modding capabilities good titles "Live" much longer, and modding has decreased my "need" for new games substantially. I buy much less then before, for sure.

I would think rather than the new Ubisoft strategy of less changes to game engines, reuse of engines for other titles and faster output of franchises with less development time in between (outlined in their 2010 strategy paper), they should start thinking longer term. Sell an expensive game engine that only gets reworked and releases every >5 years, but sell 1-2 small $20 addons every year in the meantime for one engine. Each addon could maybe include some small, customer driven changes to the engine, so that it adds something modders can't provide. That way the original game release could remain below $50 despite large development costs, and companies bind customers by quality and service. And they add to their revenue by the addons.

Immacolata · 03-17-10, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Echo76

"In line with the announcement January 13 announcement, ***soft continues to refocus its high-end games strategy by concentrating on more regular releases for its major franchises." I guess SH series will be ditched :/

I hope it wont be ditched untill after SHV is done. I mean its been back and forth between the atlantic and the pacific for a decade now, so I could live okay without a SHVI. Perhaps someone else, one shiny day, will come up with a new Submarine simulation game just as inspired - and possibly maybe better supported post release.

FIREWALL · 03-17-10, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata

I hope it wont be ditched untill after SHV is done. I mean its been back and forth between the atlantic and the pacific for a decade now, so I could live okay without a SHVI. Perhaps someone else, one shiny day, will come up with a new Submarine simulation game just as inspired - and possibly maybe better supported post release.

I gotta go along with you.

I think the " Milche Cow " has been milked dry.

Rockin Robbins · 03-17-10, 01:05 PM

Just a reminder that pay for play isn't necessarily an oppressive and objectionable situation, so long as it is a free choice of informed players. Jagex, Inc. runs Runescape as a pay for play subscription based game. There is no entry cost at all(!). You can play the free version of the game for as long as you want to and only have to pay if you are convinced that they are selling something worthwhile.

Once subscribed for the pitifully low price of $5.95 per month, you have no obligation. You are paying them to maintain and progress a game with no version numbers. It evolves over time and hardly resembles the game I left two years ago, with an entirely new browser and interface, hundreds of mods added, complete change of economy implemented. So I loaded up my saved game from two years ago. Would such a thing work in SH4? Forget about it! But in Runescape my character loaded up without a hitch and played like I left it yesterday, but with all the accumulated improvements from the past two years he had lain dormant.

Why is Runescape a success? They are oriented completely on the happiness of their paying customers. You are paying for one thing and one thing only: the maintenance of the game for your enjoyment. If you decide you don't like what they've done, you have no obligation. You just stop paying. You want to rejoin two years later? Check it out for free and if and only if you're convinced it's worth it, start paying again! These guys are totally focused on making you happy to pay!

Folks, what we object to in SH5 is oppression, not the online stuff in itself. We have a set of expectations about what a game we purchase on a DVD in a store should deliver and Ubi delivers something else against our will. Ubi, further is not focused on developing and improving the SH5 series, but only in completely replacing the game every year or two years to force us to start over. If you've paid your money, you have no remaining standing to ask for any changes. They have the only thing they want, your $50. Game over!

This is what I call FU marketing. If we're willing to pay for it, we'll get a lot more of it. There are great alternatives. When we quit paying for being abused, those alternatives will materialize.

Ducimus · 03-17-10, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immacolata

I hope it wont be ditched untill after SHV is done. I mean its been back and forth between the atlantic and the pacific for a decade now, so I could live okay without a SHVI. Perhaps someone else, one shiny day, will come up with a new Submarine simulation game just as inspired - and possibly maybe better supported post release.

No it hasn't. Its been over decade in between PTO releases. SH2 and 3 were ATO. Anyway, if it means unshackeling SH5 from DRM, i hope they nix the series. There are never going to do another ground up game build like SH3.. Both Sh4 and SH5 are ultimatly built upon a foundation made of SH3. Any future releases are just going to keep building upon the existing code, inheirting all the old bugs and adding new ones. The game series, can only go downhill from here. Seriously, its time to let it go.

RSColonel_131st · 03-17-10, 01:13 PM

The problem is - even at $5.95 a month, given how long we play our sims (usually till the next best simulation of the same genre is released, which can take multiple years) you end up paying a lot more money for something that in the current system would have cost you only 50USD one time.

OTOH you are correct that subscription based gaming also means the companies have to keep their customers happy, whereas with "shove and cash" they only need the initial 50USD.

Personally I would prefer a model where simulations are sold for higher price (see Steel Beasts PE) to account for the smaller market. But sold for "perpetual use", in a reasonable working, bug free state, like for example Arma2 is currently (still some bugs left, but playable for years to come).

I guess, yeah, at 5USD a month for high quality sims, it would come out at about the same rate. 180USD for three years high quality gaming doesn't sound terrible to me. But that still would require that I can play when and where I want, not only if the company servers are up and running.

03-17-10, 12:01 PM	#1
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Has Anybody Bothered to Read This http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/index.ph...95ZWFyPQ%3D%3D Comments Anyone ? or __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

03-17-10, 12:23 PM	#3
Echo76 Loader Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 83 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Well, I have experienced the innovative solution for decreasing PC game piracy they have provided. __________________

03-17-10, 12:27 PM	#5
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Quote from the link: "... These refocusing measures also comprise a reduction in new creations investments, which will enable Ubisoft to rebalance its existing resources on a constant headcount basis. This strategy will provide heightened visibility and profitability with a lower level of risk, thereby accelerating the generation of cash flow. ..." Combined with: "... − Uplay™, a portal for gamers launched in late 2009 with Assassin’s Creed® 2, which is set to become the online hub for Ubisoft® games. − A platform of online services for PC titles offering gamers a more in-depth gaming experience as well as providing an innovative solution for reducing PC game piracy. The first games to benefit from this solution will be released in the coming months..." And combined with the need of permanent connection to UBI to play even a single player game, equals to: - SMOKE ON THE HORIZON ! I think it's a PAY per PLAY convoy sir !!!!! Boy, things are really changing aren't they ?! __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

03-17-10, 12:29 PM	#6
Echo76 Loader Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 83 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	"In line with the announcement January 13 announcement, ***soft continues to refocus its high-end games strategy by concentrating on more regular releases for its major franchises." I guess SH series will be ditched :/ __________________

03-17-10, 12:30 PM	#7
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	what part exactly? They are losing money this year, but that is not entirely unexpected in a recession. Unnecessary expenses like games is the first thing families cut from their budget. __________________

03-17-10, 12:12 PM	#2
alexradu89 Lieutenant Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 259 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	I have, and even though their profits have increased from the previous years, this year their profit has decreased a little, and overall they are actually having an overall lower profit(even though almost each year it rises, that's pretty normal and it doesn't mean they're getting filthy rich). With every passing year it's normal for a company to have an increase in earnings if the business runs on a constant path, but seeing UBI's figures, theirs aren't really increasing but stagnating or maybe even decreasing slowly. (most likely 10x to DRM)

03-17-10, 12:44 PM	#9
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I wonder if the prices will rise on Ebay\Amazon for non drm games ? Of course I mean in the near future if Uplay is the standard. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

03-17-10, 12:56 PM	#10
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	To be honest, for a good titles with high development cost but small audience the price ought be higher. See WITP-AE. It seems to work for Matrix there. It is all about what you offer. I played SHIII for how many years now? Or Operation Flashpoint for almost 8 years before I switched to Arma2. Especially due to modding capabilities good titles "Live" much longer, and modding has decreased my "need" for new games substantially. I buy much less then before, for sure. I would think rather than the new Ubisoft strategy of less changes to game engines, reuse of engines for other titles and faster output of franchises with less development time in between (outlined in their 2010 strategy paper), they should start thinking longer term. Sell an expensive game engine that only gets reworked and releases every >5 years, but sell 1-2 small $20 addons every year in the meantime for one engine. Each addon could maybe include some small, customer driven changes to the engine, so that it adds something modders can't provide. That way the original game release could remain below $50 despite large development costs, and companies bind customers by quality and service. And they add to their revenue by the addons. __________________ Scientific facts are not determined by the opinion of the majority, nor by a democratic vote.

03-17-10, 01:05 PM	#13
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Just a reminder that pay for play isn't necessarily an oppressive and objectionable situation, so long as it is a free choice of informed players. Jagex, Inc. runs Runescape as a pay for play subscription based game. There is no entry cost at all(!). You can play the free version of the game for as long as you want to and only have to pay if you are convinced that they are selling something worthwhile. Once subscribed for the pitifully low price of $5.95 per month, you have no obligation. You are paying them to maintain and progress a game with no version numbers. It evolves over time and hardly resembles the game I left two years ago, with an entirely new browser and interface, hundreds of mods added, complete change of economy implemented. So I loaded up my saved game from two years ago. Would such a thing work in SH4? Forget about it! But in Runescape my character loaded up without a hitch and played like I left it yesterday, but with all the accumulated improvements from the past two years he had lain dormant. Why is Runescape a success? They are oriented completely on the happiness of their paying customers. You are paying for one thing and one thing only: the maintenance of the game for your enjoyment. If you decide you don't like what they've done, you have no obligation. You just stop paying. You want to rejoin two years later? Check it out for free and if and only if you're convinced it's worth it, start paying again! These guys are totally focused on making you happy to pay! Folks, what we object to in SH5 is oppression, not the online stuff in itself. We have a set of expectations about what a game we purchase on a DVD in a store should deliver and Ubi delivers something else against our will. Ubi, further is not focused on developing and improving the SH5 series, but only in completely replacing the game every year or two years to force us to start over. If you've paid your money, you have no remaining standing to ask for any changes. They have the only thing they want, your $50. Game over! This is what I call FU marketing. If we're willing to pay for it, we'll get a lot more of it. There are great alternatives. When we quit paying for being abused, those alternatives will materialize. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-17-10, 01:13 PM	#15
RSColonel_131st Medic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 164 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The problem is - even at $5.95 a month, given how long we play our sims (usually till the next best simulation of the same genre is released, which can take multiple years) you end up paying a lot more money for something that in the current system would have cost you only 50USD one time. OTOH you are correct that subscription based gaming also means the companies have to keep their customers happy, whereas with "shove and cash" they only need the initial 50USD. Personally I would prefer a model where simulations are sold for higher price (see Steel Beasts PE) to account for the smaller market. But sold for "perpetual use", in a reasonable working, bug free state, like for example Arma2 is currently (still some bugs left, but playable for years to come). I guess, yeah, at 5USD a month for high quality sims, it would come out at about the same rate. 180USD for three years high quality gaming doesn't sound terrible to me. But that still would require that I can play when and where I want, not only if the company servers are up and running.