Census done!

[SteamWake]

Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community?

[Buddahaid]

I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme.

interesting how the only question on the entire form which is highlighted in blue and surrounded by a border is "how many people live in this house?"

the rest is supplemental information

again... i dont honestly think a government raid is going to round up all the ________ people. (insert whatever race, religion, sexual preference, eye color, hair color, etc)

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

@Tribesman...

to dole out cash for projects - that's ALL they need to know quite honestly.

the census was originally meant to enumerate the population to determine governmental representation.

NOT to determine how much government cheese to disperse.

please... feel free to answer every single question if thats what you wish. By all means.

I on the other hand will be adhering to the constitution... a document that i think our government has departed from by a WIDE margin over the past several decades.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community?

Yes.

the 2010 census was heavily loaded with a hispanic slant.

ok fine.

but why?

perhaps Hillary, Pelosi and BO want to know exactly what it will cost and how many voters they will gain by granting them all citizenship?

who really knows.

but always remember this when dealing with your government

TRUTH, IS ALWAYS STRANGER THAN FICTION

@Tribesman...

to dole out cash for projects - that's ALL they need to know quite honestly.

Is it really?
So all a government needs to know before funding a big project like a highway is how many people live in the area.

the census was originally meant to enumerate the population to determine governmental representation.

And originally it didn't really count a large proportion of some states populations as they were not really people. So clinging to an archaic intention from an old document doesn't make much sense in the modern world does it.

I on the other hand will be adhering to the constitution... a document that i think our government has departed from by a WIDE margin over the past several decades.

Don't you mean over the past several centuries?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it really?
So all a government needs to know before funding a big project like a highway is how many people live in the area.

Yes

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Don't you mean over the past several centuries?

How old do you think America is?

Originally Posted by August

What makes you think it hasn't been an issue in the past?

exactly... this has been an issue for me since i filled out my first census.

sadly, i wasnt a subsim member at the time so how would anyone like Mookie know how i felt back then?

You know they have to put their spin on it "Why is this only NOW an issue?"

@ mookie... please explain

what does that mean??

what does NOW have to do with it?

whats different about NOW versus the last census?

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Oh noez, Obama knows my birthday! He's going to come lock up all of us people born in May now!

you apparently missed this . . .

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

again... i dont honestly think a government raid is going to round up all the ________ people. (insert whatever race, religion, sexual preference, eye color, hair color, etc)

please explain what Obama has to do with it and why should i be concerned about him knowing my birthday?

you make NO sense - and you miss my point by a country mile

Yes

That speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

How old do you think America is?

How many centuries roughly or how many years exactly?
Its already over a century since the federal census bureau was created, and that happened over a century after the constitution was written.
So that does raise the question for you to work out, can you ask someone who knows how many years make a century?

[GoldenRivet]

You implied that the constitution had been abused for "several centuries"

seems like a long time considering the relatively young age of the document.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

please... what more could they really need to know beyond how many people live in the area to use the road?

get real nowhere on the form does it ask if i own a car or how many.

your example is flawed

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

May I suggest reading US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

Entitled:Questionnaires, Number, Form, and Scope of Inquiries

The Census is governed by more than just the Constitution.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Platapus

US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

Only because the Democrats are in power. Had the Republicans been in charge the same people would be cheering you on.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

Only because the Democrats are in power. Had the Republicans been in charge the same people would be cheering you on.

Yup

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

It's not interesting, in my opinion. It's absolutely indefensible albeit expected.

One person wishes to remain a private citizen. He's confronted with several individuals who believe that said private information should be recorded (and could never be abused and therefore used against you). Yet they rhetorically attack you for the very stance of witholding such information, as though it's somehow counter-productive.

Hell, with people like that in power, its no wonder that you wouldn't want the government to know such details. If those kind of people can come down on you for the simple fact of your maintaining your privacy, imagine what they could do with REAL information about your demographic?

Nice job, libs. Previously I wasn't concerned with releasing such information about my family (as indicated in an earlier post in this thread). Your intellectual masturbations have done nothing more than to compel me to deny the feds such information.

Maybe the individuals of the so-implied "tolerant" political persuasion will someday learn that tolerance includes ideas that they don't agree with. History forces me to doubt that eventuality, but one can still hope...

In any case, does not anyone else see the pattern? Someone who's generally conservative states an opinion about a government function, and those of the opposite viewpoint unite to shoot it down!

Quite frankly, an intellectually honest person would have either thought or said, "I understand, although I disagree." But it requires an intellectual response (rather than an emotional one) to reach that conclusion, so I suppose my expectations are too high.

Resultingly, like I said, I will be withholding certain information, and I hope that other independent thinkers follow suit, as its clear the type of people who want the information the most are the most intolerant of said info.

Again, nicely done, libs. I can only hope that I will someday be able to shut off my brain to such an extent as you have.

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

So things that come under bits of the constitution you like are perfect and noble and bits you don't like are useless dribble.

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

Yes, because of the gaping flaws in your reasoning. If your action made sense or was consistant you wouldn't be getting much flak for it.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, because of the gaping flaws in your reasoning. If your action made sense or was consistant you wouldn't be getting much flak for it.

my reasoning is quite simple.

perhaps if i list it out you will understand it better...

here are the 6 super easy basic points you should understand, please review them

Number 1:

I DO NOT think the government is going to round up my family - or anyone for that matter - based on census data. how many times do i have to repeat this statement in one thread???

Number 2:

The constitution is the "supreme law of the land" in the United States. It specifically gives the U.S. Census the power to "enumerate people".

Number 3:

Of the 10 questions on the form... Only question number one is required. "How many people currently occupy your residence?"

Number 4:

As a United States Citizen, I have the right to choose whether i DO or i DO NOT provide an answer to the remaining nine questions.

Number 5:

I have elected to exercise my right NOT to provide those answers.

Number 6:

My original post made no remarks concerning politics, race, creed, religion or age. Nor did it make any remarks about whether or not i think the census is a good thing or a bad thing. My original post made no remarks or hints as to whether or not i view the census as necessary or unnecessary.

The original post simply stated my actions as

a. filling out the required form

b. mailing the SOB in (SOB is by no means meant to be derogatory... i live in deep East Texas... "son of a bitch" is a phrase that is applied to many things in every day conversation)

c. an off color joke about water boarding (grow a sense of humor... like the government is going to actually force me to provide census answers under duress hahaha )

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FACT: as a result of expressing myself, the peace loving, tolerant left wing members of this forum almost immediately attacked me for my opinions.

i hope this post has helped you to understand my position.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So things that come under bits of the constitution you like are perfect and noble and bits you don't like are useless dribble.

code of federal regulations (CFR) is NOT a part of the United States constitution.