QUESTION FOR LAWYERS : can we take any legal actions against UBI ??

03-16-10, 07:22 PM

I do not obey those statements.

I bought the Game even though I can't play it.
(System is to behind)

I'll Mod the Game because that's what I enjoy doing.

I don't agree with Ubi and the DRM stuff,
But that won't stop me as I'll do what I need to do.

I support the DEV's!
Not the Tie wearing, Money snaching SOB's!
Thier time WILL come.
Count on that.

Rockin Robbins · 03-16-10, 07:28 PM

Unfortunately your words and actions have no effect comparable to the effect of your money. You are whispering that you want needed changes and your money is shouting "I approve of the DRM. I don't expect to be able to sell copyrighted material on the used market. I accept and endorse unreasonable restrictions as to where and when this piece of (fill in the blank) can be used."

Guess what is the only thing Ubi hears? Once the money is spent your input is over.

As it is, Silent Hunter 5 is nothing more than a trojan horse, containing nasty malware. The more we by our actions, modding, making tutorials, posting videos, enhance the attractiveness of the trojan horse, the more Ubi will sell. They will say "it's working! Thanks Subsim! Our DRM is wonderful!"

Even worse, there is a published mod which makes it possible to play the game offline without interfering in any way with Ubi's DRM. If this gets widespread use, it will also encourage sales of SH5 as is. Ubi will merely look at the increased sales and say, "It's working! Lets do more of that." Even a partial solution makes the problem worse.

The only remedy for this situation is for our money to remain in our pocket. I had money put aside to purchase and was ready to purchase without reservations as to the completeness of the game. I wasn't worried about only one kind of U-Boat or the cutoff time or imperfections bound to happen in a cutting edge game. I was ready to jump in and do the same kinds of things I've done with and for Silent Hunter 4. I believe I've done a small part of enhancing the value of that product, teaching at least a dozen or two that manual targeting is fun and possible.

I won't be doing any of that for SH5 and I recommend that everyone examine the options and realize that my course is the only course that can result in change. Either Ubi will relent and we will have a product that respects our status as paying customers, fans and supporters or Ubi will die with its trojan horse and another company more focused on customer needs will emerge to take its place. It's tough love time and unless we act responsibly, we're just enabling this drunk. Yeah, he says he's going to use the money we give him to buy food, but we really know all that's happening is the sorry wino is headed to 7-Eleven for another quart of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Game over Ubi. Change or die.

03-16-10, 07:37 PM

Umm,
I don't think that was directed at me only.

Rockin Robbins · 03-16-10, 07:45 PM

Thank you privateer. No it was not directed at you only or even primarily you.

Nordmann · 03-16-10, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

I support the DEV's!
Not the Tie wearing, Money snaching SOB's!
Thier time WILL come.
Count on that.

They are one and the same I'm afraid, even one of the devs on here has said as much. There are no suits screwing over the dev team, they are same same damned thing!

03-16-10, 07:55 PM

Afraid not Mate!
Dan and the rest of the Dev's don't make the big picture!
I met Dan Face to Face!
I know a few things many don't!
So do not EVER put Dan and the rest of the Dev's in the Suit position!

You'd be stunned at what those guys went through just to give you
what you have so far!

I'll stand with them any day of the week and take a sniper position!

Dowly · 03-18-10, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

So do not EVER put Dan and the rest of the Dev's in the Suit position!

Actually it was Dan who said himself that the suits and the devs shouldn't be separated, they're all in this together.

jwilliams · 03-18-10, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Actually it was Dan who said himself that the suits and the devs shouldn't be separated, they're all in this together.

I think he sorta had too. He's working for the company. You cant say your personal feelings (on a public forum) when your representing your employer..... Conflict of intrests

Dowly · 03-18-10, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwilliams

I think he sorta had too. He's working for the company. You cant say your personal feelings (on a public forum) when your representing your employer..... Conflict of intrests

He could've not mentioned it at all.

jwilliams · 03-18-10, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

He could've not mentioned it at all.

True, he could have said nothing but he was asked. And i guess he gave a diplomatic answer on it.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=20

from this thread :-

What does elenaiba say...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163099

03-16-10, 07:28 PM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Unfortunately your words and actions have no effect comparable to the effect of your money. You are whispering that you want needed changes and your money is shouting "I approve of the DRM. I don't expect to be able to sell copyrighted material on the used market. I accept and endorse unreasonable restrictions as to where and when this piece of (fill in the blank) can be used." Guess what is the only thing Ubi hears? Once the money is spent your input is over. As it is, Silent Hunter 5 is nothing more than a trojan horse, containing nasty malware. The more we by our actions, modding, making tutorials, posting videos, enhance the attractiveness of the trojan horse, the more Ubi will sell. They will say "it's working! Thanks Subsim! Our DRM is wonderful!" Even worse, there is a published mod which makes it possible to play the game offline without interfering in any way with Ubi's DRM. If this gets widespread use, it will also encourage sales of SH5 as is. Ubi will merely look at the increased sales and say, "It's working! Lets do more of that." Even a partial solution makes the problem worse. The only remedy for this situation is for our money to remain in our pocket. I had money put aside to purchase and was ready to purchase without reservations as to the completeness of the game. I wasn't worried about only one kind of U-Boat or the cutoff time or imperfections bound to happen in a cutting edge game. I was ready to jump in and do the same kinds of things I've done with and for Silent Hunter 4. I believe I've done a small part of enhancing the value of that product, teaching at least a dozen or two that manual targeting is fun and possible. I won't be doing any of that for SH5 and I recommend that everyone examine the options and realize that my course is the only course that can result in change. Either Ubi will relent and we will have a product that respects our status as paying customers, fans and supporters or Ubi will die with its trojan horse and another company more focused on customer needs will emerge to take its place. It's tough love time and unless we act responsibly, we're just enabling this drunk. Yeah, he says he's going to use the money we give him to buy food, but we really know all that's happening is the sorry wino is headed to 7-Eleven for another quart of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Game over Ubi. Change or die. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 03-16-10 at 07:41 PM.

03-16-10, 07:45 PM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Thank you privateer. No it was not directed at you only or even primarily you. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-16-10, 07:22 PM	#1
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I do not obey those statements. I bought the Game even though I can't play it. (System is to behind) I'll Mod the Game because that's what I enjoy doing. I don't agree with Ubi and the DRM stuff, But that won't stop me as I'll do what I need to do. I support the DEV's! Not the Tie wearing, Money snaching SOB's! Thier time WILL come. Count on that.

03-16-10, 07:37 PM	#3
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Umm, I don't think that was directed at me only.

03-16-10, 07:55 PM	#6
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Afraid not Mate! Dan and the rest of the Dev's don't make the big picture! I met Dan Face to Face! I know a few things many don't! So do not EVER put Dan and the rest of the Dev's in the Suit position! You'd be stunned at what those guys went through just to give you what you have so far! I'll stand with them any day of the week and take a sniper position!