There and Back Again

[SubBadger]

Thanks lads

[Inner Sound]

AVGWarhawk wrote

Charts? The charts the skippers had were found at the local library and did not have depth. Some skippers had just old maps to work with or a lame National Geographic map that was outdated. Charts showing depth around islands were not available. Anyway, if you are in TC the game will stop you if you are about to ground....most times anyway!

That can't be right: Surely the Admiralty surveyed the whole world in the 19th century, and those charts were commercially available. Plus the USN had been nosing out the Pacific for years prior, knowing full well war with Japan was possible.

Or am I just a victim of ancient imperialist flannel?

[Admiral8Q]

Use the "Depth under keel" to figure how deep you can go. It's an active 'ping' so don't use it if destroyers are nearby. I find 40 to 50 feet is safe even in the shallowest waters on time compression. Plus the observation periscope sticks out enough to spot any aircraft during the day.

[Bubblehead1980]

Many of the older pre war skippers followed the pre war doctrine that most used well into late 42 and into 43 of running submerged during daylight when in patrol area or near Japanese airbases and running on surface at night to recharge batteries.This made subs a slightly mobile minefield and targets had to come to you.New breed of skippers decided to run on surface, using radar and diving for attack or evasion.If a plane came along, they would dive, then surface a few minutes later.This proved much more effective in finding ships and extending patrol time since there was less recharging of batteries.Recharging batteries uses fuel, esp in the game.

Unfortunately the devs did not give us four engines as fleetboats really had, you have two but are labeled 1 and 3 and 2 and 4 in the game, but they are just two engines so cant run 15 knots to patrol area, then have plenty of fuel to stay on coast.In mods like TMO ahead standard will give you 10 knots, best speed.

[Admiral8Q]

I find, early in the game, that if you get two planes incoming on radar then it is Zero's. Those are tough and it's better to dive. A lone one is usually a Betty. If I'm in a rush, I dive to 40'/45' until it's past. Otherwise I take control of the AAA gun and give it hell. If I don't destroy it, I at least send it off in flames!

If you get a good gunner crewman though, it's fun to watch him kill it from the bridge.

[SubBadger]

Originally Posted by Admiral8Q

I find 40 to 50 feet is safe even in the shallowest waters on time compression.

I just completed the War Patrol mission which tasks you with dropping off a spy and I spent a lot of time at that depth. At one point my depth below keel ping reported five feet! (Actually I never considered who might be around to hear that ping! Good safety tip thanks Admiral)

I spent a tense few minutes trying to decide whether or not I was going to run into a large rock on the sea bed. I was studying it from all angles as the sub swam closer and right up until the last second I couldn't decide whether or not I was going to get my whiskers through!

In the end I got by by the merest squeak, but subsequently I wonder if the rocks actually do pose a simulated danger anyway, since I must have passed many more large ones when I wasn't watching and I can't have been lucky every time.

A lot of the water in the latter part of that mission is shallow and three or four times I found myself diving to periscope depth on the report of a plane. I wondered whether periscope depth would be deep enough to hide me to be honest, but using my cheating external view ( I do love my external views) I went as high as I could and found that I couldn't see the sub. Of course whether it follows that the simulated plane couldn't either...well that'd be another matter I guess. But that said, I'd have to admit I couldn't see the plane either, although I could hear it.

I managed to make it to the objective relatively unscathed though and the spy was safely put ashore in his rubber raft. I say "relatively" because I did have a small dent in the hull I think, due to my own stupidity.

During one of those shallow plane avoiding dives I got a message and instead of pressing "M" to read it, I instinctively hit "C" as in "communications" (at least in my head!) which of course is Crash Dive!!

By the time I'd countermanded the order (Belay that crash dive order ya scurvy dogs!!.. Ok..so no idea why my American Sub Commander just stepped out of Pirates of the Caribbean.) I'd already hit the sea bed and there was water spraying from those valves in the control room. You know the ones? The ones that always seem to start spraying in movies, so that the sailors can rush around turning them off!

Actually I didn't manage to work out how to turn them off at all and they happilly showered my charts from that point until the end of the mission. I decided assigning a repair crew might be the thing, but I couldn't seem to find anything broken to fix. But on the plus side it was rather atmospheric... until for some reason I got Gene Kelly "Singing in the Rain" stuck in my head and that just ruined it!

Originally Posted by Admiral8Q

I find, early in the game, that if you get two planes incoming on radar then it is Zero's. Those are tough and it's better to dive. A lone one is usually a Betty. If I'm in a rush, I dive to 40'/45' until it's past. Otherwise I take control of the AAA gun and give it hell. If I don't destroy it, I at least send it off in flames!

Won't he go tell his mates where you are though?

Badger

[Admiral8Q]

Originally Posted by SubBadger

I spent a tense few minutes trying to decide whether or not I was going to run into a large rock on the sea bed. I was studying it from all angles as the sub swam closer and right up until the last second I couldn't decide whether or not I was going to get my whiskers through!

In the end I got by by the merest squeak, but subsequently I wonder if the rocks actually do pose a simulated danger anyway, since I must have passed many more large ones when I wasn't watching and I can't have been lucky every time.

Those rocks pose no threat, they're just eye candy.

A lot of the water in the latter part of that mission is shallow and three or four times I found myself diving to periscope depth on the report of a plane. I wondered whether periscope depth would be deep enough to hide me to be honest, but using my cheating external view ( I do love my external views) I went as high as I could and found that I couldn't see the sub. Of course whether it follows that the simulated plane couldn't either...well that'd be another matter I guess. But that said, I'd have to admit I couldn't see the plane either, although I could hear it.

Unless they spot you on the surface, they don't know you're there if the sub is completely submerged. I have all graphics set to maximum on my game (I have a decent video card) and you can see the sub underwater from the surface. I'll take a screenie and post it here.

During one of those shallow plane avoiding dives I got a message and instead of pressing "M" to read it, I instinctively hit "C" as in "communications" (at least in my head!) which of course is Crash Dive!!

Heh heh!
Once my cat jumped up on my keyboard while I was evading depth charges and launched decoys which got the dd's off my tail! Good Kittie, I gave her a promotion from "Nice Kittie" to "Good Kittie" and issued extra treat rations!

I haven't thought of launching decoys for years after playing so many multiplayer games in SH2/DC where it won't fool the human players.

By the time I'd countermanded the order (Belay that crash dive order ya scurvy dogs!!.. Ok..so no idea why my American Sub Commander just stepped out of Pirates of the Caribbean.)

Arrgh Matey Too bad you couldn't plunder the merchants for extra fuel or deck gun rounds.

Won't he go tell his mates where you are though?

Badger

If they send more Betty's, shoot em' up. If it's Zero's, dive then!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Inner Sound

AVGWarhawk wrote
That can't be right: Surely the Admiralty surveyed the whole world in the 19th century, and those charts were commercially available. Plus the USN had been nosing out the Pacific for years prior, knowing full well war with Japan was possible.

Or am I just a victim of ancient imperialist flannel?

No sir. Eco sounding for contour of he sea floor really did not start until after the war. Read up on the Playboy submarine by the name of Archerfish! Great read! In all reality we did not have detailed maps of any of the islands. First patrols were done with maps from the local library or magzines.

[AVGWarhawk]

early chart for subs: