Goodbye SH5...Back to SH3 + Mod

[FIREWALL]

If SH5 had shortcuts like SH3 &4 it would still be installed.

It got old fast for me walking all over the sub to DO anything.

When I press F4 I want to be on the bridge, P I'm in front of Peri and so on...

I just wanted the Option.

[Lt_Werner]

Originally Posted by janh

No, really? I would have guessed that... Curious: What would you prefer: a good game mechanics and feature with a 2-3 year graphics engine (SHIII), or a 2010 graphics engine with a simple game concept?

I am a hardcore simmer. I prefer game mechanics over graphics but thats a matter of personal taste. I am still confident that with patches and mods SH5 will turn into a decent game.

[Hartmann]

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX

Three examples:

Aditional submarines
Campaign after 1943 or distant grid patrols
Aditional merchant ships or units

and no mention about constan internet conection... Poor Ia, Bugs..

Sh3 and sh4 gives to the subsimmer the best overall perspective about the submarine war during WWII

[marleymen]

Originally Posted by Hartmann

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX

Three examples:

Aditional submarines
Campaign after 1943 or distant grid patrols
Aditional merchant ships or units

and no mention about constan internet conection... Poor Ia, Bugs..

Sh3 and sh4 gives to the subsimmer the best overall perspective about the submarine war during WWII

(sorry for my bad english, I expect you understand me)

When you say poor IA, do you know there is AI MOD by TDW that makes IA 99% better?

I´m agree with SailorSteve. You talk about SH5 is crap or anything .. but .. do you know the latest advances with Mods? Have you looked at the SH5 Mod Section before ?

Thanks

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Hartmann

SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX

Three examples:

Aditional submarines the guys are working on it
Campaign after 1943 or distant grid patrols
Aditional merchant ships or units the guys are working on it

and no mention about constan internet conection It's on the box and over all the adverts dude... Poor Iathe guys a have pretty much cracked it , Bugs.. the guys are working on it , but have pretty much cracked it

Sh3 and sh4 gives to the subsimmer the best overall perspective about the submarine war during WWII

As was posted earlier - ignoring the amazing work our modders have done (in four months or so) to this game is doing them a great disservice.

You should buy the game, install the mods, then maybe - you'll know what you are talking about, and if you already have the game? Then you can't have tried the mods out there.

Sure it's not perfect, it's not like a supermodded SH3 for sure, but it also is no-where near as bad as you've just said.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

No, they were big floating BUGS!

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by Rafael

I understand you. And made some mods myself for SH3. However, to release an incomplete game (shooter in my opinion) is quite frustrating.
I have sunk in two patrols 250.000 ton? Using my torpedoes and deck-gun.
That's why I see it (at the moment), as a shooter instead as a simulation game.
BTW: I appreciate all the work the modders have done.
My mods page here at subsim ... meaning I understand the hard work of modders.

Firstly, thank you for a cool headed and fair response(too many times have rediculous arguments broken out on the general SH5 forum).

However, I remember in SHIII pre-GWX getting around 200,000 tons in two patrols, which is not far off. I have to say that 4 months after SHIII was released, it was almost if not just as bad as SH5 is right now. I am sorry if others disagree with this(however most people here probably don't even know what it was like). BTW, I was using GWX mods way before I joined Subsim, so don't let that fool you.

Lastly, I appreciate that you have contibuted to the subsim community by way of modding, it is a noble deed.

Originally Posted by robbo180265

As was posted earlier - ignoring the amazing work our modders have done (in four months or so) to this game is doing them a great disservice.
You should buy the game, install the mods, then maybe - you'll know what you are talking about, and if you already have the game? Then you can't have tried the mods out there.
Sure it's not perfect, it's not like a supermodded SH3 for sure, but it also is no-where near as bad as you've just said.

Thank you. I have found that the vast majority of people who post negative remarks about SH5 do not even own it. And, when they do own it, it seems like they have not put any effort into finding the right mods.

Originally Posted by Hartmann

Yes i know the mod, i was talking about stock ShV

No, i not ignore the modders work, it´s a great work , and i said

"SH V need one year or more to stay at the same level of Sh 3 + GWX"

because it requires a lot of time for modders fix and make upgrades. i don´t expect any movement of UBI

Ok, let me get this straight, you don't ignore the modders work, but you just compared stock SH5 to SHIII+GWX. That does not make any sense at all. Please at least take into account all existing mods for SH5 before making a comparison to other subsims with their respective mods.

I admit that SHIII+GWX is better than SH5 in many ways. All my main point is that saying SH5 is unplayable is ridiculous. Also, comparing a game that we have only had 4 months to work on to a game that has had half a decade is not fair to anyone.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I'd say at least 1.5 years assuming you have a team of dedicated people working on it. More then likely, longer then 1.5 years. Maybe 2, maybe more. I don't think very many people realize just how much you have to reload the game as a modder when doing certain things. You make a tweak, save the file, start the game, wait for it toload to the menu, start a mission and wait for loading, see the result. exit game, make tweak, start the game, load.. etc etc. DRM on top of that makes this a screaming PAIN IN THE ASS! It's tedious as it is already, DRM compounds this issue even more.

I wonder how many people around here remember SH3 before super mods. Comparetively though, an unmodded SH3 wasn't as bad as an unmodded SH4/Sh5. It did spend longer in development then it's successors.

At any rate , i think people are impatient. I have the impression they want a fully modded SH3 with prettier graphics right out of the box. Personally, after giving SH5 two "college tries", i find im quite content with SH4, with SH5 residing as shelf fodder for the next couple years while the SH5 modders climb mount Everest.

Well said, well said indeed.

[tonschk]

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH

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[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH

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Do you enjoy annoying people tonschk?

Just because you don't like Silent Hunter 3 doesn't mean it's rubbish. Have a look on the Silent Hunter 3 forums and see how many people (including myself) are still enjoying playing it.

And then grow up.........

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH

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We would all appreciate it if you actually tried to contribute to a conversation rather than just shouting out your opinion. On several occasions I or someone else has noted both good and bad about SH5, and said it's a "diamond in the rough" or something similar, and you have leaped on only the good and said something akin to "I agree! It's wonderful!" Cheerleading is nice, but it does no more good than blatant attempts to trash, which is what you just did here.

Since you said it, please explain, in detail, how SH3 is total rubbish. Remember, you're talking to someone who still thinks Aces Of The Deep is the premiere submarine simulator, the one others have to measure up to, and by your standards (which seem to assert that graphics make a great game above any other consideration) has to be the worst possible simulation simply because the graphics are so old.

Could you possibly try being a part of an actual discussion this time, and contributing something actually worth reading?

[convoy hunter]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Silent Hunter 3 is Total RUBBISH

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please do wake up and when you do then talk about sh3

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by Commie

I hear H.A.W.X. has better graphics than Il-2 Sturmovik, so that makes it a better flight sim right? Thief 3 had better graphics that 1 and 2 so that made it better? Deus Ex 2 looked better than Deus Ex, so was better? Bioshock looked better than System Shock 2 so was better?

Funny, wouldn't have thought that sub simmers were graphic whores.

For some people eye candy is all it takes. It appears this game is perfect for them on that score alone.

[jaxa]

It's difficult to compare SH3 with GWX to SH5. But playing SH5 I can find only one thing better than in SH3/GWX - graphic. SH3/GWX is the best u-boot simulation ever made. It will be fantastic to incorporate SH5 graphic to complex detailed SH3/GWX - succes guaranted. I don't like many things in SH5, but we have to give a chance - mods are created all time, I'm sure special mega mod for SH5 will change this game as GWX changed SH3 for another game.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by jaxa

SH3/GWX is the best u-boot simulation ever made.

Not even close. GWX and NYGM both fix a lot of the problems, but not all can be fixed, and what everyone says sets GWX ahead of the others is...the graphics! So don't say it's the best or that gameplay is the reason, because...

Originally Posted by Lt_Werner

I am a hardcore simmer. I prefer game mechanics over graphics but thats a matter of personal taste. I am still confident that with patches and mods SH5 will turn into a decent game.

If that's really true then both of you should be playing Aces Of The Deep. The graphics are now very dated, but the gameplay is still unsurpassed. it even has wolfpacks!

[McHibbins]

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

For some people eye candy is all it takes. It appears this game is perfect for them on that score alone.

Not all it takes but a big immersion factor i think. I voted SH5 for bad in another thread thinking of SH3 is still the better sim until Mods and patches are going to fix it.