Ubisoft posts "New Plan" for SH and other series - Page 2

Irichanu · 03-09-10, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pythos

Allow me to state my reaction to the OPs actions.

You sir, and people like you are what have driven the market to the crappy state it is at.

It is also people doing what you do that make companies like UBI take on stupid and idiotic business plans.

My brother is in the stock market and he, along with most others can't stand it when people do what you did.

I think the daily show did something about short sellers, and what little they do for the economy in general.

(I may also have confused market things, so I may be critisising you where it is not deserved)

Selling shares crashes the economy?

RSColonel_131st · 03-09-10, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackdog_kt

If the mainstream publishers do go for a subscription plan, i'm very curious to see what the price will be and how will they implement it. For example, a flat rate of up to 20$ giving you access to 4-6 games simultaneously would succed, IF it's paired with adequate game content, competent support, hassle free installation and no need to be constantly online once the game is authenticated on its first run.

That's 240 bucks a year, or the equivalent of buying about 5 games. But those bought games would still be yours years later, whereas the "subscriped" service would terminate your games as soon as you stop paying 20$ monthly.

And you can't resell either if a game is short and has no replay value.

I'm sure UBI would love your proposal, but customers would end up paying more money for less content.

Irichanu · 03-09-10, 12:52 PM

If that would mean playable and bug-free games, and a few more games than 5-6, then I would actually have nothing against it. As long as there would be possibility to play offline.

Fmilk · 03-09-10, 02:07 PM

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In line with the announcement January 13 announcement, Ubisoft continues to refocus its high-end games strategy by concentrating on more regular releases for its major franchises. These refocusing measures also comprise a reduction in new creations investments, which will enable Ubisoft to rebalance its existing resources on a constant headcount basis. This strategy will provide heightened visibility and profitability with a lower level of risk, thereby accelerating the generation of cash flow.

Sounds like EA story. Fortunately, after almost a decade of "concentrating on more regular releases for its major franchises", EA seem to understand what they've done to themselves, to the market, to the games, and to the players, and are now returning to production of higher quality products.
Too bad Ubisoft didn't learn anything from them.

pythos · 03-09-10, 02:15 PM

Selling shares does not crash the economy. Short selling does. Look it up. It is a fairly new thing, and has been wreaking havok on the market.

floundericiousWA · 03-09-10, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fmilk

Sounds like EA story. Fortunately, after almost a decade of "concentrating on more regular releases for its major franchises", EA seem to understand what they've done to themselves, to the market, to the games, and to the players, and are now returning to production of higher quality products.
Too bad Ubisoft didn't learn anything from them.

That was actually my first thought when I read that passage ("Oh! It's the mid/late 90's all over again!")

floundericiousWA · 03-09-10, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pythos

Selling shares does not crash the economy. Short selling does. Look it up. It is a fairly new thing, and has been wreaking havok on the market.

Short selling is NOT new

The degree to which investors can leverage their short sales may be new and is likely what causes a single bad short sale to gash the marketplace since the investor's ineptitude/bad luck is now multiplied by a factor of several million times.

Iron Budokan · 03-09-10, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Not sure how you reached that conclusion.

I read it to be quite the contrary.

Same here.

pythos · 03-09-10, 02:28 PM

http://www.nyse.com/press/1224497730781.html

Sent to me from my brother.

He also says there may be action taken to severely limit short selling.

Here is another one, I found

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1..._short_selling

And The Daily show (I know hardly a news source...even though it is) has a terrific piece concerning this.

To The OP, you doing that alone won't do to much damage. Think of you doing that like a popped weld on a pressure hull. But if enough people do that, it can mean doom for UBI, or other companies that face this practice. It is tantamount, to a bunch of welds giving away all at once. IF enough companies face this then one will fail after the other, in a worst case scenerio. Remember the purpose of a corporation is to make proffit. Selling stocks does not make profit for the company, so what do the execs do? They cut production, cheapen production costs....lay people off. The more people laid off, the less people can buy, the less is produced, and we enter a vicious spiral.

It is also a practice of sheer unadulterated greed. People making huge stacks of money (perhaps you don't but many do), and as a whole produce not one thing.

The way it is implemented is indeed new, due to the advent of technology that allows on the minute tracking of stocks. It is also one of the major issues in the economic atmosphere.

floundericiousWA · 03-09-10, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pythos

http://www.nyse.com/press/1224497730781.html

Sent to me from my brother.

He also says there may be action taken to severely limit short selling.

Good read! Thanks for linking!

kylania · 03-09-10, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

Same here.

SH5 exists and is one of the few PC games currently produced by UbiSoft.

Is there a new Tom Clancy game coming out? Ghost Recon 3? Hero's of Might and Magic VI? IL3?

I mean, sure there's http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Info.aspx?pId=7900 but a lot of good other games aren't coming out anymore, but we did get SH5.

Galanti · 03-09-10, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacrilege

So I shorted the hell out of Ubisoft shares yesterday after I realized what was going on with the servers (worked well, made a nice round $624 this morning after I covered)

This is even funnier, when you read the impassioned plea for compassion and empathy for Ubi's shareholders in this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164109

abbysinthe · 03-09-10, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Ghost Recon 3?

Ghost Recon (1 & 2) as we know it is dead, but there is another GR coming out.

Same with R6 (1, 2 & 3) , dead and gone, but there is another R6 Vegas coming.

But then What is SH5 compared to Silent Service, Silent Hunter and Aces of the Deep (et all) - dumbed down, more accessible, what ever, but we do have Silent Hunter still.

they are all better than a kick in the butt.

on a side note, loved Wheelman.

Spartan · 03-09-10, 03:00 PM

Looks like Ubi is trying to take a page out of the Atari (infograms) and Cryptic page book. It is a good think I have not purchased any Ubi products in some time. Otherwise it may be feeling my sense of injustice just as Atari is with STO and all my community activism generating several threadnoughts (especially the stupid "experiment" of offering 90 days free plus a huge discount and free shipping sale two weekends ago) and negative publicity to its great displeasure.

03-09-10, 02:28 PM	#24
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	http://www.nyse.com/press/1224497730781.html Sent to me from my brother. He also says there may be action taken to severely limit short selling. Here is another one, I found http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1..._short_selling And The Daily show (I know hardly a news source...even though it is) has a terrific piece concerning this. To The OP, you doing that alone won't do to much damage. Think of you doing that like a popped weld on a pressure hull. But if enough people do that, it can mean doom for UBI, or other companies that face this practice. It is tantamount, to a bunch of welds giving away all at once. IF enough companies face this then one will fail after the other, in a worst case scenerio. Remember the purpose of a corporation is to make proffit. Selling stocks does not make profit for the company, so what do the execs do? They cut production, cheapen production costs....lay people off. The more people laid off, the less people can buy, the less is produced, and we enter a vicious spiral. It is also a practice of sheer unadulterated greed. People making huge stacks of money (perhaps you don't but many do), and as a whole produce not one thing. The way it is implemented is indeed new, due to the advent of technology that allows on the minute tracking of stocks. It is also one of the major issues in the economic atmosphere. Last edited by pythos; 03-09-10 at 02:41 PM.

03-09-10, 12:52 PM	#18
Irichanu Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 13 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	If that would mean playable and bug-free games, and a few more games than 5-6, then I would actually have nothing against it. As long as there would be possibility to play offline.

03-09-10, 02:15 PM	#20
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Selling shares does not crash the economy. Short selling does. Look it up. It is a fairly new thing, and has been wreaking havok on the market.

03-09-10, 03:00 PM	#29
Spartan Sailor man Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 50 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Looks like Ubi is trying to take a page out of the Atari (infograms) and Cryptic page book. It is a good think I have not purchased any Ubi products in some time. Otherwise it may be feeling my sense of injustice just as Atari is with STO and all my community activism generating several threadnoughts (especially the stupid "experiment" of offering 90 days free plus a huge discount and free shipping sale two weekends ago) and negative publicity to its great displeasure.