The facts of life: A heartfelt defense of Ubisoft and DRM

Schunken · 03-09-10, 01:38 PM

Its not the point that Ubi is fail with SH5, everybody fail everyday with anything....

The point is that thew show NO SIGN of support loyal customers and NO SIGN of apology to loyal customers.

They even denie that they make a mistake by setting up the DRM Servers....

No single german company like BMW, Mercedes or Lufthansa will go down on a simple DDOS Attack....

And when a Software-Developer go down by a DDOS attack....sorry, I must lough my ass off... Its like a sub-captain dives with a open hatch....

Andreas

Irichanu · 03-09-10, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Schunken

Its not the point that Ubi is fail with SH5, everybody fail everyday with anything....

The point is that thew show NO SIGN of support loyal customers and NO SIGN of apology to loyal customers.

They even denie that they make a mistake by setting up the DRM Servers....

No single german company like BMW, Mercedes or Lufthansa will go down on a simple DDOS Attack....

And when a Software-Developer go down by a DDOS attack....sorry, I must lough my ass off... Its like a sub-captain dives with a open hatch....

Andreas

More like when a sub sinks because its captain didn't know how to use a toilet...

TDK1044 · 03-09-10, 01:55 PM

I disagree with the OP on so many levels that it's not worth pursuing. Let's just say that I'm not surprised that he works for an insurance company.

tater · 03-09-10, 02:13 PM

Once again, a brand new poster supports Ubi.

I've read some decent defenses written by "old hand" members, but virtually all those posts that are sycophantic are written by new accounts. It may not be true, but it certainly makes it look as if Ubi is sending people to the forums to defend them.

While some of the OP's points are OK, the unreserved praise for OSP is absurd. Absurd. Particularly given the fact that we know it defeated pirates for all of 25 hours. Yes, Ubi claims that the game doesn't work right, but who knows if that is true or not—they have a vested interest in making people think that is the case, regardless of the veracity of the claim. If they want to demonstrate how their claim is true, they are welcome to post—and be very specific about what is missing. Short of that, I simply don't believe them one way or another.

It's also predicated on the absurd claim that "90% of the copies are pirated." This claim is meaningless. The only number that matters are lost sales. What % of pirated copies would have sold in the absence of a pirated version. My guess is that it's a vanishingly small %.

OP also completely neglects the idea of adding value via an online connection as an option.

OSP is all downside for the user, there are no upsides.

03-09-10, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Once again, a brand new poster supports Ubi.

I have better things to do with my life than post about fake submarines 5000 times.

tater · 03-09-10, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MattDizzle

I have better things to do with my life than post about fake submarines 5000 times.

Gotcha. No time to post about all your mods you've authored—and support them—but plenty of time to post about someone else's post count, and plenty of time to support a ridiculous DRM scheme by Ubi.

03-09-10, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

plenty of time to post about someone else's post count

It only took a few seconds sir, it was very simple

Commie · 03-09-10, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MattDizzle

I have better things to do with my life than post about fake submarines 5000 times.

He he but you still like to come here and defend UBIsoft's DRM OF something about FAKE SUBMARINES? They way you're going, you'll reach 5000 of your own posts by the morning !

sabretwo · 03-10-10, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

It's also predicated on the absurd claim that "90% of the copies are pirated." This claim is meaningless. The only number that matters are lost sales. What % of pirated copies would have sold in the absence of a pirated version. My guess is that it's a vanishingly small %.

I've tried making this point several times in these threads.

How many pirates does anyone really think are now buying the game versus the number of people now infuriated with UBI or unable to play their games owing to difficulty with accessing the internet, etc.

Eightbit · 03-10-10, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sabretwo

I've tried making this point several times in these threads.

How many pirates does anyone really think are now buying the game versus the number of people now infuriated with UBI or unable to play their games owing to difficulty with accessing the internet, etc.

haha yea and if it hadn't been pirated. How many more angry "i want a refund" you think we would see here?

blackdog_kt · 03-11-10, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MattDizzle

No different from slipping a shirt into your coat at the mall. Just imagine how that would go down on this forum... "Lol stupid ubiclothes and their anti-theft shirt alarms, I AM NOT A THIEF, why do i have to wait for the store clerk to undo this alarm thing from the merchandise? Thats time from my life i will never get back, im boycotting this store! You know if they made a better quality shirt they would make more money, its simple!".

What you describe is equal to a one-time activation. The clerk extracts the little metal thing that makes the detector buzz as you are giving him the cash, you take your t-shirt and never have to worry about it again.

UBI's method is more like you're stuck with the little metal plate in your T-shirt for life, so that the T-shirt shop's patrol car can verify it's yours at random points in time, plus you can't do anything about it.

Your friends make fun of the bulge under your T-shirt in the back of your neck, it itches and annoys you, you don't like the feeling of cold metal on your skin when you dress for work early in the morning and you can't go anywhere near a metal detector without giving a false alarm and everybody looking at you in a strange way, but of course we know it's not the fault of the T-shirt seller, it's the fault of terrorists and gangsters who made us install metal detectors everywhere and we jump with fear everytime they go off

And all this so that the T-shirt store's patrol car can come along, stop you from whatever you're doing at the moment (work, going to the movies, having a cup of cofee with your girlfriend), demand of you to prove you didn't steal the T-shirt and expect you to show them the little metal plate, all at random times and however often they would like. Oh, God forbid if they barge in your home one Sunday morning, find you snugging into bed with your girlfriend and she happens to be wearing it. Stupid women, always getting us in trouble like this after a night out for meal, movie and hot sexxing

You see, you don't own the T-shirt, you own a license to use it and they can revoke it at will if you give it to a friend as a present, let your little son wear it as you snap pictures of him with your camera or ship it off to a humanitarian aid mission when you don't want it anymore.

Tell you what, if you subject yourself to this for a month and prove to everyone here that you really did it, i'll go out and buy SH5 in its current state

jwilliams · 03-11-10, 12:34 AM

Hehe, you forgot to metion that if the patrol car brakes down, that you must surrender your t-shirt to them, even if your still wearing it, even if it inconvenent for you. Until they fix their car. And if they cant fix there car then you never get your t-shirt back.

Spartan · 03-09-10, 02:40 PM

For what it is worth, I would rather have Ubi get out of the PC market all together and give up the SH franchise to an independent developer and publisher than to put up with its useless DRM antics that ONLY hurt legitimate users.

urfisch · 03-10-10, 02:48 AM

useless thread...in my opinion. anyway..as some said: drm is a must these days, but the way of usage and the used system is, what counts! this drm we have here is a fraud...crap. cheeky...and not well developed. a pain in the ass...some might say, and would be right.

so, let ubi get their lessons and lets hope, there will be other studios, making it better.

so far...

voidster · 03-10-10, 12:54 PM

actually the DRM is working. If you take the time and go visit pirate boards you will see people jumping for joy over sh5's crack only to see them complain about not being able to even complete the first part of the career. It must update the servers or vice versa once you complete an objective, then UBI's servers sends the proper data to unlock other missions or whatever. At least thats the theory..

I can say though im done with the SH series. Im sick to death of the current problems of sh5, floating rocks, pathetic depth keeping, apparently im stupid cause even using the auto TDC i cant hit the broad side of a barn. Real tutorials would have been great!..too bad they forgot about it. Oh then dont forget about running into a massive convoy, just asking for torpedos only to see a net disconnect and a autosave failure.

Id go to sh4 again but im sick of the campain save corruption issues...wth couldnt they have FIXED that before creating a new one?...nope.

For now its on the shelf and uninstalled, maybe in 2 years someone will fix the problems. All I know is UBI will NEVER get my income again.

sorry for the negative attitude but i hate spending 50 bucks only to find its a dust collector.

03-11-10, 12:34 AM	#12
jwilliams Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,013 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Hehe, you forgot to metion that if the patrol car brakes down, that you must surrender your t-shirt to them, even if your still wearing it, even if it inconvenent for you. Until they fix their car. And if they cant fix there car then you never get your t-shirt back. __________________ Windows 7, 64bit. Phenom II 965BE (OC 4cores @ 3.8 Ghz). Radeon HD4870 (1gb gddr5). 6gb Ram.

03-10-10, 02:48 AM	#14
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	useless thread...in my opinion. anyway..as some said: drm is a must these days, but the way of usage and the used system is, what counts! this drm we have here is a fraud...crap. cheeky...and not well developed. a pain in the ass...some might say, and would be right. so, let ubi get their lessons and lets hope, there will be other studios, making it better. so far... __________________

03-09-10, 01:38 PM	#1
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Its not the point that Ubi is fail with SH5, everybody fail everyday with anything.... The point is that thew show NO SIGN of support loyal customers and NO SIGN of apology to loyal customers. They even denie that they make a mistake by setting up the DRM Servers.... No single german company like BMW, Mercedes or Lufthansa will go down on a simple DDOS Attack.... And when a Software-Developer go down by a DDOS attack....sorry, I must lough my ass off... Its like a sub-captain dives with a open hatch.... Andreas

03-09-10, 01:55 PM	#3
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I disagree with the OP on so many levels that it's not worth pursuing. Let's just say that I'm not surprised that he works for an insurance company.

03-09-10, 02:13 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Once again, a brand new poster supports Ubi. I've read some decent defenses written by "old hand" members, but virtually all those posts that are sycophantic are written by new accounts. It may not be true, but it certainly makes it look as if Ubi is sending people to the forums to defend them. While some of the OP's points are OK, the unreserved praise for OSP is absurd. Absurd. Particularly given the fact that we know it defeated pirates for all of 25 hours. Yes, Ubi claims that the game doesn't work right, but who knows if that is true or not—they have a vested interest in making people think that is the case, regardless of the veracity of the claim. If they want to demonstrate how their claim is true, they are welcome to post—and be very specific about what is missing. Short of that, I simply don't believe them one way or another. It's also predicated on the absurd claim that "90% of the copies are pirated." This claim is meaningless. The only number that matters are lost sales. What % of pirated copies would have sold in the absence of a pirated version. My guess is that it's a vanishingly small %. OP also completely neglects the idea of adding value via an online connection as an option. OSP is all downside for the user, there are no upsides.

03-09-10, 02:40 PM	#13
Spartan Sailor man Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 50 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For what it is worth, I would rather have Ubi get out of the PC market all together and give up the SH franchise to an independent developer and publisher than to put up with its useless DRM antics that ONLY hurt legitimate users.

03-10-10, 12:54 PM	#15
voidster Watch Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 25 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	actually the DRM is working. If you take the time and go visit pirate boards you will see people jumping for joy over sh5's crack only to see them complain about not being able to even complete the first part of the career. It must update the servers or vice versa once you complete an objective, then UBI's servers sends the proper data to unlock other missions or whatever. At least thats the theory.. I can say though im done with the SH series. Im sick to death of the current problems of sh5, floating rocks, pathetic depth keeping, apparently im stupid cause even using the auto TDC i cant hit the broad side of a barn. Real tutorials would have been great!..too bad they forgot about it. Oh then dont forget about running into a massive convoy, just asking for torpedos only to see a net disconnect and a autosave failure. Id go to sh4 again but im sick of the campain save corruption issues...wth couldnt they have FIXED that before creating a new one?...nope. For now its on the shelf and uninstalled, maybe in 2 years someone will fix the problems. All I know is UBI will NEVER get my income again. sorry for the negative attitude but i hate spending 50 bucks only to find its a dust collector.