Ubisoft Masterserver down? (merged) - Page 13

Bilge_Rat · 03-08-10, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by John Channing

Au contraire... I have followed them very closely.

However I tend to give weight to opinions that are based on actual knowledge and fact not on speculation, rumour, mis-quotes and outright foolishness.

I have some sources inside Ubisoft (not the Devs) that I trust a great deal more than a bunch of people who hide behind made up internet names and spew forth irrational postings in just about every thread going.

But that's just me.

But ask yourself this question.

If you paid for the game knowing about DRM and you couldn't log on to the servers because of a hacker DOS attack... who is responsible for preventing you from logging on?

JCC

John is right.

This has to be the stupidest line of reasoning I have seen up to now on these forums.

Hackers attacked Ubisoft's servers preventing legitimate users from using their software and...Ubisoft is to blame?

I have a better analogy than the car one. You have a bus pass and take the bus to work every day. The buses goes by every 10 minutes. The bus company, being good businessmen, even add extra buses to handle the rush hour. One day, terrorists block an intersection and stop every bus for the whole day. You are unable to get to work and are not paid for that day. You may blame the bus company, but under any legal system, your only legal recourse is against the terrorists...good luck with that...

And before anyone starts cheering for the hackers as a bunch of freedom loving kids protesting big bad Ubisoft's DRM. You should know that most denial of service attack these days are made by organized crime who profit hansomely from them.

So think about who to blame, a legitimate business trying to provide you the service you paid for or the criminals who are preventing it and getting rich in the process...

Konovalov · 03-08-10, 04:53 PM

I haven't bothered to get involved in this DRM debate previously nor have I jumped on the SHV sucks whinge brigade. For the record I have yet to buy SHV but I do intend to in the future. This thread is now a dozen or so pages long and I can barely find any outrage directed at the hackers who have attacked the UBI servers. Yes Ubisoft should have done better and yes I believe that Ubi have gone down the wrong path on the type of DRM implemented in SHV. But Ubi didn't cause this problem. Some spineless geek twit in cyberspace did.

Quite frankly the SHV forum has become a mass torrent of whinging and hysteria populated by a loud minority of cry babies. Time to dive deep and hope for better weather on the surface in a month or so.

copper01 · 03-08-10, 04:54 PM

Was able to play for about 1 hour. Stoped and went to eat came back to play again( 4:15 pm) and now I can,t Down again? I hope this is like Rise of flight and they patch it so u can be off line in single player mode .

malkuth74 · 03-08-10, 04:55 PM

Give you my own analogy. Your in an ocean with a bunch of sharks. You stick a class man size square with holes in it for water can leak in. You enter the class box. You place yourself in the ocean with the sharks.

Then you pour a 100 pounds of cut up bloody meat into the box with you.

When you die is it your fault or the sharks fault?

Analogies are all fun and everything.

But you can't beat the point that single player games should not have to have a permanent online connection. END OF STORY.

And don't make a shark Cage out of glass while your at it.

ridley · 03-08-10, 04:56 PM

Ah it gets better you cannot play SH3 multiplayer on Ubisoft anymore, it says the ubisoft server is not available.

Ridley

mookiemookie · 03-08-10, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

Quite frankly the SHV forum has become a mass torrent of whinging and hysteria populated by a loud minority of cry babies. Time to dive deep and hope for better weather on the surface in a month or so.

You're probably right. I'm sure the anti DRM zealots will have bitched and moaned themselves out by then.

PortoFerro · 03-08-10, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by copper01

Was able to play for about 1 hour. Stoped and went to eat came back to play again( 4:15 pm) and now I can,t Down again? I hope this is like Rise of flight and they patch it so u can be off line in single player mode .

IT IS working again, however you have to be VERY patient during the initital startup... If it starts, don't logout until you're really done for tonight.

Anyway, this DRM has to go. As soon as a solution is available, I will apply it to my PAID software.

Ships-R-Us · 03-08-10, 05:01 PM

I'm not trying to stir controversy or incite a riot here, but I have noticed a swarm of new members here joining in March with only a post or two complaining about every aspect of Ubisofts policy, the DRM, and proclaiming how the game is hacked, along with a multitude of related complaints.

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that Subsim has been raided by the hackers seeking the mods and whatever else they can siphon in an effort to make a pirated game function better.

It just appears to me that the most chaos is coming from members mentioned above.

Dutch · 03-08-10, 05:04 PM

I hate to say I told you so but, no wait I don't hate it.

I TOLD YOU SO!

I am going to wait to buy SHV until they take DRM out, period. I sincerely hope that their Sales have plummeted. While some will take that as blasphemy because of the SH franchise I can't help but cheer on the eventual fall of UBI and hope a better company will begin making SH.

On another note if I had the time I would "hack" UBI servers as much as I could just to make a point. But I'm not quite at that level of troll yet, and I do not truly believe it was a hack. I think they just can't keep their promise.

I am though eagerly awaiting the inevitable "hacking" of UBI servers were all save game files are deleted. Now that would be down right hilarious.

Rip · 03-08-10, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

John is right.

This has to be the stupidest line of reasoning I have seen up to now on these forums.

Hackers attacked Ubisoft's servers preventing legitimate users from using their software and...Ubisoft is to blame?

I have a better analogy than the car one. You have a bus pass and take the bus to work every day. The buses goes by every 10 minutes. The bus company, being good businessmen, even add extra buses to handle the rush hour. One day, terrorists block an intersection and stop every bus for the whole day. You are unable to get to work and are not paid for that day. You may blame the bus company, but under any legal system, your only legal recourse is against the terrorists...good luck with that...

And before anyone starts cheering for the hackers as a bunch of freedom loving kids protesting big bad Ubisoft's DRM. You should know that most denial of service attack these days are made by organized crime who profit hansomely from them.

So think about who to blame, a legitimate business trying to provide you the service you paid for or the criminals who are preventing it and getting rich in the process...

But we didn't pay for DRM online service. We payed for a frigging game.

In order to prevent people from stealing said game the instituted something "they should have known" would in fact result in many legitimate customers being denied that product. Now the pirates have gone from stealing the product to destroying the company providing it.

I see this as the equivalent of installing dead man switches in people so if they get taken hostage that it destroys all mankind. Probably substantially reduce the hostage taking business but at what cost?

Rip

Gammelpreusse · 03-08-10, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

John is right.

This has to be the stupidest line of reasoning I have seen up to now on these forums.

Hackers attacked Ubisoft's servers preventing legitimate users from using their software and...Ubisoft is to blame?

I have a better analogy than the car one. You have a bus pass and take the bus to work every day. The buses goes by every 10 minutes. The bus company, being good businessmen, even add extra buses to handle the rush hour. One day, terrorists block an intersection and stop every bus for the whole day. You are unable to get to work and are not paid for that day. You may blame the bus company, but under any legal system, your only legal recourse is against the terrorists...good luck with that...

And before anyone starts cheering for the hackers as a bunch of freedom loving kids protesting big bad Ubisoft's DRM. You should know that most denial of service attack these days are made by organized crime who profit hansomely from them.

So think about who to blame, a legitimate business trying to provide you the service you paid for or the criminals who are preventing it and getting rich in the process...

That line of reasoning holds only truth as long you accept the policy of having a single player game constantly online.

This acceptance was never there to begin with, and UBI has to convince people of their system first if they want to keep a certain percentage of customers loyal to their products. It's made worse by the impression the honest customer constantly has to pay for the pirates; these companies trying to solve their problems not in creative ways, like for example Bioware does for its games, but by forcing the customers into conditions they obviously not want. I do not know how many different game launcher programs I have my computer spammed with by now, rockstar games, windows life, ubi game launcher, steam, and so on. It's getting really annoying. Now a situation like this just sucks. If I never came here to this forum, if I simply bought this game and wanted to play, and I can't, without ever knowing the reasons, it sucks. And just because you know it's pirates fault, it still sucks. And it sucks to the point that the suckage slowly begins to outwight the fun.

I have a lot of understanding for the position of these companies, and that many folks in fear of moneylosses and shareholder value feel immense pressure to come up with solutions, even draconian ones, to protect sales. The business is pretty brutal after all.

But if this means taking and accepting the risk of making a lot of honest and longstanding loyal customers the enemy, then something runs terrible wrong in this policy.

Seriously, making customers angry/inconvinient = never a good idea, or did I miss something in business lately?

P.S. To make it really simple.

I bought a game.

I want to play the game.

I can't play the game.

The fault is not mine.

peabody · 03-08-10, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Noren

So its a global problem then, I wonder it its true that just 5% of the customers are affected - as noted in the offical explanation.

Well, up to your post #88, I had already counted 30 that could not connect and only a couple that could.....that's close to 5%.........

. It's called Ubimath.

Peabody

JU_88 · 03-08-10, 05:07 PM

Hmm, DRM is broken for me this evening.... cant seem to log in / connect.

I guess if this OSP screws up badly enough, they may be forced to patch it out early.

Iron Budokan · 03-08-10, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

I'm not trying to stir controversy or incite a riot here, but I have noticed a swarm of new members here joining in March with only a post or two complaining about every aspect of Ubisofts policy, the DRM, and proclaiming how the game is hacked, along with a multitude of related complaints.

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that Subsim has been raided by the hackers seeking the mods and whatever else they can siphon in an effort to make a pirated game function better.

It just appears to me that the most chaos is coming from members mentioned above.

There were a lot of new players logging on when /3 and /4 were released, too, iirc? There were complaints, but there were posts talking about the good aspects of those games as well.

Of course, when new people log on today and complain, well, suddenly it's a conspiracy by hackers who are engaged in some black evil plot to bring down Ubi, and by proxy, Subsim.

*sigh*

UnSalted · 03-08-10, 05:10 PM

You have bought and paid for a car equipped with OnStar. OnStar has assured you the car will increase the thrill of your driving experience. The system is foolproof and will defeat the evil Road Hacker. You have nothing to worry about...they'll even create a Book of Memories to tell you where your drives began and ended. It will enhance your driving experience.

You try to drive the car off the lot. The car won't start. OnStar explains that the evil Road Road Hacked overloaded their server and they can't authorize the starter to work. You tell OnStar that's OK, your car makes a lovely statue and you'll be back someday to pick it up when it works.

Sirs, I'd like to sell you all several bridges....

03-08-10, 04:53 PM	#182
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I haven't bothered to get involved in this DRM debate previously nor have I jumped on the SHV sucks whinge brigade. For the record I have yet to buy SHV but I do intend to in the future. This thread is now a dozen or so pages long and I can barely find any outrage directed at the hackers who have attacked the UBI servers. Yes Ubisoft should have done better and yes I believe that Ubi have gone down the wrong path on the type of DRM implemented in SHV. But Ubi didn't cause this problem. Some spineless geek twit in cyberspace did. Quite frankly the SHV forum has become a mass torrent of whinging and hysteria populated by a loud minority of cry babies. Time to dive deep and hope for better weather on the surface in a month or so. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

03-08-10, 04:55 PM	#184
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Give you my own analogy. Your in an ocean with a bunch of sharks. You stick a class man size square with holes in it for water can leak in. You enter the class box. You place yourself in the ocean with the sharks. Then you pour a 100 pounds of cut up bloody meat into the box with you. When you die is it your fault or the sharks fault? Analogies are all fun and everything. But you can't beat the point that single player games should not have to have a permanent online connection. END OF STORY. And don't make a shark Cage out of glass while your at it. __________________

03-08-10, 05:04 PM	#189
Dutch Sonar Guy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: United States Posts: 376 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I hate to say I told you so but, no wait I don't hate it. I TOLD YOU SO! I am going to wait to buy SHV until they take DRM out, period. I sincerely hope that their Sales have plummeted. While some will take that as blasphemy because of the SH franchise I can't help but cheer on the eventual fall of UBI and hope a better company will begin making SH. On another note if I had the time I would "hack" UBI servers as much as I could just to make a point. But I'm not quite at that level of troll yet, and I do not truly believe it was a hack. I think they just can't keep their promise. I am though eagerly awaiting the inevitable "hacking" of UBI servers were all save game files are deleted. Now that would be down right hilarious. __________________ \"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You, Ask What You Can Do For Your Country.\" President John F. Kennedy

03-08-10, 04:54 PM	#183
copper01 Mate Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Columbus,Ohio Posts: 53 Downloads: 80 Uploads: 0	Was able to play for about 1 hour. Stoped and went to eat came back to play again( 4:15 pm) and now I can,t Down again? I hope this is like Rise of flight and they patch it so u can be off line in single player mode .

03-08-10, 04:56 PM	#185
ridley Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 108 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Ah it gets better you cannot play SH3 multiplayer on Ubisoft anymore, it says the ubisoft server is not available. Ridley

03-08-10, 05:01 PM	#188
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	I'm not trying to stir controversy or incite a riot here, but I have noticed a swarm of new members here joining in March with only a post or two complaining about every aspect of Ubisofts policy, the DRM, and proclaiming how the game is hacked, along with a multitude of related complaints. I may be wrong, but I get the impression that Subsim has been raided by the hackers seeking the mods and whatever else they can siphon in an effort to make a pirated game function better. It just appears to me that the most chaos is coming from members mentioned above.

03-08-10, 05:07 PM	#193
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,806 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Hmm, DRM is broken for me this evening.... cant seem to log in / connect. I guess if this OSP screws up badly enough, they may be forced to patch it out early.

03-08-10, 05:10 PM	#195
UnSalted Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 130 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You have bought and paid for a car equipped with OnStar. OnStar has assured you the car will increase the thrill of your driving experience. The system is foolproof and will defeat the evil Road Hacker. You have nothing to worry about...they'll even create a Book of Memories to tell you where your drives began and ended. It will enhance your driving experience. You try to drive the car off the lot. The car won't start. OnStar explains that the evil Road Road Hacked overloaded their server and they can't authorize the starter to work. You tell OnStar that's OK, your car makes a lovely statue and you'll be back someday to pick it up when it works. Sirs, I'd like to sell you all several bridges....