All of us are using "DRM", it's called "Windows Product Activation."

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!?

At last, someone with a bit of common sense for the debate that must be made. My personal oopion is *checks button*, *checks cheat sheet* No, I do not believe that the game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!? because of the nice sea wave graphic implementation thereof.

[Deputy]

Originally Posted by tater

This. Epic OP fail.

PS—Where are you in NM, deputy?

Silver City.

[Ships-R-Us]

Originally Posted by Deputy

Silver City.

Nice area, as I've been to Pinos Altos just north of you twice on camping trips.

[Deputy]

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

Nice area, as I've been to Pinos Altos just north of you twice on camping trips.

LOL...I suppose so. It's where hippies from the 60s go to retire.
So I don't fit in very well.

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by swuboo

Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it. You cite Windows Genuine Advantage as a reason we should be okay with Ubi's far more draconian system. I cite Windows Genuine Advantage as the primary reason that I have not purchased a piece of Microsoft software since XP.

Really? I heard of that but my PC has had a new GFX card, more RAM, new DVD drive and not once has it had to be revalidated and that is after reinstalling XP about 6 times, eg once a year to clear out the system.

Heck I even installed XP from one laptop which had been dismantled onto a different laptop for which I lost the recovery disk and used the serial number off the dismantled laptop and it didn't query that it was on a different laptop to what it should have been expecting. IMHO XP has never been a hassle. The only time I had to phone microsoft is because I read the letter wrong as it was so damn small.

[tater]

I'm up in ABQ. MIxed bag of hippies and non-hippies up here. 40 minutes north it's hippie central

[Schroeder]

@Xabba

If you get Windows together with your computer (I believe it's called an OEM version) than this Windows will only install on the system with which it was delivered. If you change some major hardware this Windows won't recognise your computer any more and therefore won't install.

This does not happen with a "normal" Windows that was bought separately.

[Deputy]

Originally Posted by tater

I'm up in ABQ. MIxed bag of hippies and non-hippies up here. 40 minutes north it's hippie central

Albuquerque scares me as much as Chicago where I originally came from. We get the news feeds. Too dang many drunk drivers and gang shootings. Here we just have the occasional bum burning his partner on the side of the road. I think you have a corpse of ours up there now being looked at by the coroner. But you do have some decent resteraunts up there so I am envious of that. All we have is fast food joints unless you go to Las Cruces.

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by swuboo

Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it. You cite Windows Genuine Advantage as a reason we should be okay with Ubi's far more draconian system. I cite Windows Genuine Advantage as the primary reason that I have not purchased a piece of Microsoft software since XP.

OEM versions of Windows dont have this problem, change some hddware no reactivation needed. Ive changed hddware over the years and never had to reactivate. In fact windows activation never had to go through all that crap with OEM, unless it just does it without me knowing. Retail windows though i hear is nothing but a pain in the ass if it fails. Plus OEM versions you can throw on more than one computer without needing a license. Otherwise i would be in sht creek with MS but both pcs get updates and pass the genuine check. OEM

[Bubblehead Nuke]

Ahhh, but there is more to the Microsoft Saga..

You all know WGA..

.. But they have a NEW three letter combo for you...

......WAT, otherwise known as "Windows Activation Technology"

Now, every 90 days YOU have to resubmitt to the Microsoft servers a request to validate your authenticity. If you do not pass muster you are flagged a pirate and you get this annoying black screen with dire soul crushing news that you are running illegal software.

This software is self healing (thus you can not just glitch it to break it), goes around any firewall blocks you may invoke, and makes changes to your system without your authorization.

Right now it is not mandatory and it is limited to Windows 7. In the past when you had to verify you were 'Genuine' a simple WGA is all you have to pass. Now you have to have a WAT pass as well.

It is only a matter of time before it is backported to Vista.

They made their money off of XP so they do not really care if you pirate it now. Time will force you to update to a newer OS as new games, utilities and other things come out that just no longer work on the older software.

[antikristuseke]

WGA was first bypassed in less than 24 hours in its early iteration, WAT will be broken rapidly meaning you, as a payign customer, can too turn that ****box off.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

DRM and the Future

Consider one last example of a protection method which has been subject to similar levels of hysteria and misinformation, and which every legitimate Windows user has installed on their system right now:

Yes, WPA is a very early form of DRM - presumably one of the reasons Microsoft didn't push its luck too far and kept it mild. However, as it is, I'm sure a major reason people bit the bullet is because they are all already entrapped in the Windows system, a factor that won't be for a game, nor does people's acceptance of it mean it is good, or proper, or anything ofr the matter.

[Deputy]

As of the end of February 2010, Windows XP is the most widely used operating system in the world with a 58.4% market share, having peaked at 76.1% in January 2007. Support for XP from Microsoft will go on until 2013. I have it on all my comps as either standard XP or XP 64 bit. No way I will "upgrade" to any other OS until XP expires, and maybe not even then. I have NO doubt that WAT will be hacked quite quickly. Microsoft continuously underestimates the intelligence of it's users.

Considering software is still being written to XP, I doubt very much there is a worry about software compatibility. It takes a LONG time for an OS to be backwards incompatible with software. Heck, I have SH3 running on two comps with 64 bit operating systems and it runs super fast. What WILL be necessary to upgrade is HARDWARE. Games are being written to more and more advanced hardware specs and that's where the upgrading will be needed. That is, if you BUY those hardware-intensive games. With the hardware I have right now I can run the most hardware-intensive games at at least medium settings. But I don't really have any interest in those games. Most are 1st person shooters.


As to SHV, I think Ubi's "master plan" is to sell the game to as many people as possible that will buy it for it's current $50 price. When they reach a certain profit point, they will come out with a patch that will eliminate the need to be online to play. The hacks that are out there right now are all flawed because they don't give full functionality to the game.
Of course, it's still early and a new hack may come out that does give full functionality. You never know. But it's costing Ubisoft money to run those online servers and it's just a matter of time before the expense of running the servers outweighs their usefulness in preventing piracy. Plus we've already seen where the servers crashed and THAT does not make for happy users. The negative feelings from loyal SH3 and 4 users certainly isn't helping Ubi's cause. I have no doubt there are some that are so peed off about the online situation that they won't buy SH5 no matter if Ubi takes the online requirement out or not. And I sure don't blame them.

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

@Xabba

If you get Windows together with your computer (I believe it's called an OEM version) than this Windows will only install on the system with which it was delivered. If you change some major hardware this Windows won't recognise your computer any more and therefore won't install.

This does not happen with a "normal" Windows that was bought separately.

Well I must dispute this as the XP I have is the OEM type (comes on the recovery disk) and this was for both the laptop and my desktop and it installed no bother. The OEM one installed no problem on my other laptop, as I said I took the serial number from the knackered laptop and used that.

Worked no problem.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by swuboo

Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it.

I had to call Microsoft once after swapping in a new drive just days after making a clean install of XP. Naturally they wanted to know why I was trying to activate so soon after the first, and my response was simply that my old drive had failed. No further questions, and I was able to reactivate immediately. What keeps me from upgrading to a newer Windows is cost.

As for the Ubisoft approach to DRM, I probably won't be buying anything that requires a steady internet connection, simply because I don't like being tied to the internet unless I am actually using it (like right now). It's unfair, though, that the many are paying for the actions of a few rotten eggs.