[REL] Old Style SH Controls (familiar 3 dials) for UI v1.3.1

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by UrPeaceKeeper

I'm not sure we'll get a TDC that works... there is no script file for it and if the game .exe calls the script files we are hosed, if it pulls the .ini files which call the script file we may be ok as we could just have someone write the script file for it. I did find that it has it's own Page file .ini, although all mention of the texture files are all .tga extensions which are hangovers from SH3 and the transition to SH4 with U-boat missions... all the files in the directory are .dds. I'm going to go through the nearly 1000 line .ini file and change the .tga to .dds and see if anything shows up. I'm not holding my breath anyway as my understanding is the script files give the item the functionality and the .ini file so we may need some script writing... maybe...

have faith! anything is possible, we just haven't found the way to do it yet....

I'm happy to report that the fuel level and battery level gauges work:


did a nice underwater run to see if the battery would discharge...and it did. Only thing I haven't seen move is the CO2 gauge. Oh and the clock doesn't work either but that appears to be a script problem also.

I'm thinking about releasing this as it stands so far BUT it still needs work on the buttons. Some of the buttons don't work or worse cause a CTD when you click them. It all deals with scripts it appears and it's goind to take some heavy work to sort out. In the meantime though it's functional and most of the buttons work (or don't work). We can compile a list of which ones work or don't work (and those that cause CTDs) and post them so users are aware until it's sorted out. But people should be given the opportunity to use this new UI....it actually makes the game more enjoyable and playable (at least to me)!. So what do you all think? Wait till I have it all sorted out or let it go as is?

[CCIP]

I say let it out - if anything, I'm sure others can help track down the issues and test it better. Consider it a beta release of sorts. In all honestly, I'd rather play with a half-functional classic interface than the fully-functional new one.

[UrPeaceKeeper]

Ohh I have faith, trust me on that, in terms of "easy" modding that I can accomplish, the TDC is out of the question. Changing the extensions in the page.ini file for the TDC did squat so there has to be some way to bring it up with the attack peri and the observation peri (not realistic but meh).

As to the UI as it stands, which buttons dont work and is it possible to remove them relatively easily or track down the cause of the crasH?

If we can get the list we can release the UI as is while you and I and others work out ways to get the commands lined up correctly for the game.

Releasing it would calm the waters long enough for us to figure out the buttons and maybe get a start on the TDC...

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by UrPeaceKeeper

Ohh I have faith, trust me on that, in terms of "easy" modding that I can accomplish, the TDC is out of the question. Changing the extensions in the page.ini file for the TDC did squat so there has to be some way to bring it up with the attack peri and the observation peri (not realistic but meh).

As to the UI as it stands, which buttons dont work and is it possible to remove them relatively easily or track down the cause of the crasH?

If we can get the list we can release the UI as is while you and I and others work out ways to get the commands lined up correctly for the game.

Releasing it would calm the waters long enough for us to figure out the buttons and maybe get a start on the TDC...

good point. I'll start zipping it up and getting it ready for upload. This is too cool
As for which buttons cause CTDs - I know anything under crew and even the crew tab itself will CTD. But I haven't really checked all them out. I'll reserve a post under the release one so that the buttons causing errors can be listed and an update can be posted on their status.

[UrPeaceKeeper]

Thats because the crew management options have changed drastically, we probably just need to find the commands for Action stations, man deck gun, and man AA guns. Are there really any other commands for the crew?

I imagine the deck gun and AA gun commands probably dont work (Aim for water line and what not).

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by UrPeaceKeeper

Thats because the crew management options have changed drastically, we probably just need to find the commands for Action stations, man deck gun, and man AA guns. Are there really any other commands for the crew?

I imagine the deck gun and AA gun commands probably dont work (Aim for water line and what not).

they work sort of.....you 'appear' inside the deck gun and you appear on top of the AA gun when you click those....

[UrPeaceKeeper]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

they work sort of.....you 'appear' inside the deck gun and you appear on top of the AA gun when you click those....

Interesting... I wonder if there is an easy way to fix it... something with the teleport to location? Can you move yourself from them once you've teleported inside of them?

This is sad, but I had to use the restroom I was so excited for this release lol

[mookiemookie]

For what it's worth, I wouldn't worry too much about the TDC right now. I actually kind of like the way its implemented - makes me feel like a real commander reading off thr inputs and someone else inputting them. That works great (aside from the stupid stadimeter, but modding in the old "estimate range to contact" command gets around that beautifully). But from a purely functional standpoint, I'd love to have the classic command interface back.

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

For what it's worth, I wouldn't worry too much about the TDC right now. I actually kind of like the way its implemented - makes me feel like a real commander reading off thr inputs and someone else inputting them.

+100

It is one of the few things that in my opinion, is an improvement. I don't want to be touching the dials myself as the Captain, just telling someone else what to put in

[coasterdigi]

Originally Posted by Highbury

+100

It is one of the few things that in my opinion, is an improvement. I don't want to be touching the dials myself as the Captain, just telling someone else what to put in

Agreed! Although, it would be nice to see the torpedo's gyroangle without having to rely on the silly little line on the tactical display.

[gutted]

Originally Posted by Highbury

+100

It is one of the few things that in my opinion, is an improvement. I don't want to be touching the dials myself as the Captain, just telling someone else what to put in

umm, you ARE still entering the information.. but it's taking you longer.


AOB:
Click AOB, Set it, hit back. Three Steps.
or
Just turn a dial.

RANGE (manually without stadimeter):
Click Range, type it in, hit back. Three Setps.
or
Just turn a dial.


just saying....

[Highbury]

Say all you want, Capt shouldn't be the one turning the dial. You want to run to the bow and help load torps too?

[urfisch]

great work, darky!!!

nice.

what about posting a manual, a "howto"?

[Will-Rommel]

Downloaded.

[coasterdigi]

Just a thought, but, for the time being, is it possible to just delete the offending buttons from the menu editor, at least for this release? It seems like it would be a quick job to just eliminate the checkboxes so the buttons don't actually try to function.

If you don't, I'll give it a shot when you release it.