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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Just because I like and enjoy the game does not mean I do not see its faults. They are the same faults which were inherent in SH3 and SH4. However if you give it a fair trial, you have to be blind not to see that it has the potential to be a much better simulation than SH3 or SH4.

No one who has been following the discussions here or who owns SH3 and or SH4 can say they were surprised by SH5. It is what we expected, SH3 with better graphics, a bit more depth to the underlying engine and perhaps better moddability.

yes, we can all sit around, mope that Ubi should have done it differently this time and decry this game as a hopeless mess, but this is the exact same discussion we had when SH2 came out in 2001, when SH3 came out in 2005 and when SH4 came out in 2007 and with the same result, namely that if the real subsimmers want a real U-boat simulation, they have to roll up their sleeves and get to work on SH5 to build one.

Which is a flaw in itself. That we are seeing mistakes again that where already made with SH3+4. And that the modders have to create many aspects of the game with every new entitlement of the series. Like believable sub physics. The same things over an over again.

I give you that SH5 has more potential for modding than the previous games. That it wouldn't be a hardcore simulation like it will be turned into by mods is no surprise.
I just don't like the attitude of shifting the game more towards a submarine toolkit rather than a convincing game from the start.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

So you have two choices, sit on the sidelines, act like mr. cool subsimmer, pronouncing yourself as an expert on realistic subsims, because you once spent 6 hours straight playing SH3 on Auto TDC and sank 100,000 tons.., excoriate this game as "arcady" because the monitor on your desk shows bars instead of dials ..

Now we're getting a bit polemical, aren't we ? When have I ever done that ?