Attn Devs ,Wont buy SH5 until these are fixed

elanaiba · 03-04-10, 06:05 AM

You see sober, this little thing in your signature prevents me from getting mad at you

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Originally Posted by sober

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In the end, SH5, like any game, is a question of supply and demand. We supply a game, and people that think it is worth the price, buy it.

SH5 is far from perfect and I can understand some people that have not interest in buying it. Hopefully we will be able to fix and improve it to its intended shape.

I have said it before, I am very critical with my work, but I know that with patches and mods it will be the only subsim worth playing. There's too much stuff improved behind the "cool graphics" for it to be any other way.

03-04-10, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

You see sober, this little thing in your signature prevents me from getting mad at you

In the end, SH5, like any game, is a question of supply and demand. We supply a game, and people that think it is worth the price, buy it.

SH5 is far from perfect and I can understand some people that have not interest in buying it. Hopefully we will be able to fix and improve it to its intended shape.

I have said it before, I am very critical with my work, but I know that with patches and mods it will be the only subsim worth playing. There's too much stuff improved behind the "cool graphics" for it to be any other way.

Simply as "Hello": Do you have the courage to say something like: "I am not satisfied with the game in its current state"? If no, don't bother to reply to my posts anymore. I have expectancies from you.

Yskonyn · 03-04-10, 06:42 AM

For someone who claims to be hot on etiquette and language use you seem to fail to be able to read 'in between the lines', Gunno.

Ela admitted the product isn't 'finished', yet still you seem to want him to write down literally a quote you made up.
While I do sympathise with some of your concerns towards the state of the game and why it's been this way with other titles in the series as well, this mission of yours does look like a personal vendetta this way. Why are you so hard pressed on getting that specific line of admittance on our virtual papers from one of the devs while it's already admitted, just in other words? Be careful not too keep pushing the button and becoming an obnoxious troll on these boards. It's different from just engaging in good discussion.

03-04-10, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Yskonyn

Be careful not too keep pushing the button and becoming an obnoxious troll on these boards. It's different from just engaging in good discussion.

You are right in some degree, but in the same time, I know that there should be someone from time to time to say things in a not so very diplomatic way, while maintaining a decent level of the words chosen. My angst comes from the fact that I love so much this submarine simulation genre, not from pure hatred or something like that towards anyone here. And I know that some folks here understands me. When I've tried to support the inddependent project Danger From The Deep almost nobody was interested, instead a vast majority of people are interested in UBI RPG/shooter unfinished products. It's sad for me.

Yskonyn · 03-04-10, 07:12 AM

'Me' is not the right approach, Gunno. Don't you think we all want SH5 to be the best title in the series so far? Of course we all do.
People just have different approaches to a goal.

Some are willing to accept another unfinished product and hope for mods and patches. Others are ruling out the product from day one because of the DRM scheme, yet others refuse to accept the state of the game and start kicking around in anger.

You seem to be on an endeavor to 'convert' everyone to your cause and kick those who don't. Just accept the fact that there will always be people who think differently.

This doesn't make your mission any less relevant and this doesn't deprive you from your rights to say how you think. Just keep the 'personal' edge out of your conversations. That makes a discussion only needlessly nasty and will quickly kill the possibility of gaining people for the cause as well.

The fact that you said you connect the feeling you have of dissapointment with the game to your people is ripe for a reality check.
It's not a national disaster, it's just a product which can be objectively stamped good or bad by facts.
And you should disconnect your national pride from the devteam just because they have the same nationality.
For instance, if you fail at your job on a particularly bad day, do you think the Romanian people will declare a day of mourning because you failed your country?

03-04-10, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Yskonyn

And you should disconnect your national pride from the devteam just because they have the same nationality.
For instance, if you fail at your job on a particularly bad day, do you think the Romanian people will declare a day of mourning because you failed your country?

No, but unfortunately, we don't have many things to be proud of as a nation, we've murdered our president on Christmas Eve, we've turned the weapons against our ally in WWII, we have been thrashed by every major power through the centuries and so on. And every lost opportunity to be somehow proud by something made by Romanian people annoys me. Even for a such insignificant fact thing SH5. It's easier for you, I know.

Yskonyn · 03-04-10, 07:41 AM

There's nothing wrong with healthy nationalism, Gunno. But there's no use spilling your guts on a game enthousiasts forum.
You should revert to political message boards if your frustration is caused by your pride. You can fight as much rounds as you want over there with probably quite a lot of people giving you some sincere opposition.

A gamers board in not really the place for that.

As said before, you can point out your point of view about the games discussed and label them good or bad, but the pesonal attack attitude has to stop.

It'll only make you be perceived as a bitter forum troll and that won't have any benefits for you either.
For example, the way you come across to me in your reply to Ela's statement in the other thread is that you continue to look for ways to grief him eventhough you got the statement you wanted.
You seem to turn his statement around into the negative suggesting he might be elusive in his wording. This is clearly a personal attack.
Just accept a few things now and then. It'll make you feel more at ease as well, buddy.

Alex · 03-04-10, 08:03 AM

Blaming your own kind for releasing a half-baked game looks quite like anti-patriotism to me - as a Romanian you should be supporting them by reporting as much bugs as possible (the earlier you report them, the faster SH5 devs will fix em) and encouraging them to release patches as fast as possible.

In my opinion looking for any kind of gratitude, appreciation, gratefulness for releasing something as superficial as a

video-game in this %@£$§& &# world only shows that you're desperate, dude.

03-04-10, 06:42 AM	#3
Yskonyn Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 48 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	For someone who claims to be hot on etiquette and language use you seem to fail to be able to read 'in between the lines', Gunno. Ela admitted the product isn't 'finished', yet still you seem to want him to write down literally a quote you made up. While I do sympathise with some of your concerns towards the state of the game and why it's been this way with other titles in the series as well, this mission of yours does look like a personal vendetta this way. Why are you so hard pressed on getting that specific line of admittance on our virtual papers from one of the devs while it's already admitted, just in other words? Be careful not too keep pushing the button and becoming an obnoxious troll on these boards. It's different from just engaging in good discussion. __________________ Yskonyn - *"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire..."*

03-04-10, 07:12 AM	#5
Yskonyn Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 48 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	'Me' is not the right approach, Gunno. Don't you think we all want SH5 to be the best title in the series so far? Of course we all do. People just have different approaches to a goal. Some are willing to accept another unfinished product and hope for mods and patches. Others are ruling out the product from day one because of the DRM scheme, yet others refuse to accept the state of the game and start kicking around in anger. You seem to be on an endeavor to 'convert' everyone to your cause and kick those who don't. Just accept the fact that there will always be people who think differently. This doesn't make your mission any less relevant and this doesn't deprive you from your rights to say how you think. Just keep the 'personal' edge out of your conversations. That makes a discussion only needlessly nasty and will quickly kill the possibility of gaining people for the cause as well. The fact that you said you connect the feeling you have of dissapointment with the game to your people is ripe for a reality check. It's not a national disaster, it's just a product which can be objectively stamped good or bad by facts. And you should disconnect your national pride from the devteam just because they have the same nationality. For instance, if you fail at your job on a particularly bad day, do you think the Romanian people will declare a day of mourning because you failed your country? __________________ Yskonyn - *"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire..."*

03-04-10, 07:41 AM	#7
Yskonyn Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 48 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	There's nothing wrong with healthy nationalism, Gunno. But there's no use spilling your guts on a game enthousiasts forum. You should revert to political message boards if your frustration is caused by your pride. You can fight as much rounds as you want over there with probably quite a lot of people giving you some sincere opposition. A gamers board in not really the place for that. As said before, you can point out your point of view about the games discussed and label them good or bad, but the pesonal attack attitude has to stop. It'll only make you be perceived as a bitter forum troll and that won't have any benefits for you either. For example, the way you come across to me in your reply to Ela's statement in the other thread is that you continue to look for ways to grief him eventhough you got the statement you wanted. You seem to turn his statement around into the negative suggesting he might be elusive in his wording. This is clearly a personal attack. Just accept a few things now and then. It'll make you feel more at ease as well, buddy. __________________ Yskonyn - *"The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire..."*

03-04-10, 08:03 AM	#8
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Blaming your own kind for releasing a half-baked game looks quite like anti-patriotism to me - as a Romanian you should be supporting them by reporting as much bugs as possible (the earlier you report them, the faster SH5 devs will fix em) and encouraging them to release patches as fast as possible. In my opinion looking for any kind of gratitude, appreciation, gratefulness for releasing something as superficial as a video-game in this %@£$§& &# world only shows that you're desperate, dude. __________________