Attn Devs ,Wont buy SH5 until these are fixed

[jerm138]

Originally Posted by cherbert

How does that scenario prevent me from laying blame at the devs doorstep?

Because you bought the game from UBISOFT, not the developers.

Let's say I'm looking to buy a 5-year old house. And while doing my pre-closing inspection, I notice many problems with the house: Crooked doorways, the shingles are crooked, the floor squeaks... you get the idea.

Should I:

a) Decide I don't like it and stick with my current house?
b) Make an offer to buy the house AFTER the owner fixes the problems?
c) Call up the builder and throw a fit because he didn't build the house I want?

Choices 'a' and 'b' are reasonable.

Choice 'c' is absurd. So is blaming the developers of SH5.

[Mad_Mark]

I think they employ x Stalker clear sky Beta testers for this.

[cherbert]

Originally Posted by jerm138

Because you bought the game from UBISOFT, not the developers.

Let's say I'm looking to buy a 5-year old house. And while doing my pre-closing inspection, I notice many problems with the house: Crooked doorways, the shingles are crooked, the floor squeaks... you get the idea.

Should I:

a) Decide I don't like it and stick with my current house?
b) Make an offer to buy the house AFTER the owner fixes the problems?
c) Call up the builder and throw a fit because he didn't build the house I want?

Choices 'a' and 'b' are reasonable.

Choice 'c' is absurd. So is blaming the developers of SH5.

Never heard so much nonsense in all my life. How can you compare house building and house buying with a Publishing Division and and a Developer Division?

You do know the devs we speak off are UBISOFT ROMANIA? They are just a division of the group. So yes, they are the people who I bought the game off - my money paid their wages.

They wrote the game - If I wanted my money back (which I don't) I'd contact UBI HQ. But, I know who wrote it and they are to blame. I don't expect them to do anything about it - I just hope and request that they do. That requests goes to both HQ and the Developers in Romania.

[jerm138]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Never heard so much nonsense in all my life. How can you compare house building and house buying with a Publishing Division and and a Developer Division?

You do know the devs we speak off are UBISOFT ROMANIA? They are just a division of the group. So yes, they are the people who I bought the game off - my money paid their wages.

They wrote the game - If I wanted my money back (which I don't) I'd contact UBI HQ. But, I know who wrote it and they are to blame. I don't expect them to do anything about it - I just hope and request that they do. That requests goes to both HQ and the Developers in Romania.

You're right.

And next time I'm shopping and see a shirt I don't like, I'll buy it anyway then get mad at the kid working in the sweatshop in Bangladesh, instead of just taking my business elsewhere (or continuing to wear the far-superior shirts I currently own.)

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Never heard so much nonsense in all my life. How can you compare house building and house buying with a Publishing Division and and a Developer Division?

You do know the devs we speak off are UBISOFT ROMANIA? They are just a division of the group. So yes, they are the people who I bought the game off - my money paid their wages.

They wrote the game - If I wanted my money back (which I don't) I'd contact UBI HQ. But, I know who wrote it and they are to blame. I don't expect them to do anything about it - I just hope and request that they do. That requests goes to both HQ and the Developers in Romania.

You are slow.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Mad_Mark

I think they employ x Stalker clear sky Beta testers for this.

Wait, they had testers to being with?

[cherbert]

Originally Posted by jerm138

You're right.

And next time I'm shopping and see a shirt I don't like, I'll buy it anyway then get mad at the kid working in the sweatshop in Bangladesh, instead of just taking my business elsewhere (or continuing to wear the far-superior shirts I currently own.)

Another ridiculous comparison.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

You are slow.

I don't necessarily agree with him, but his points do have merit.

Do you have anything besides ridicule to counter his argument?

[jerm138]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Another ridiculous comparison.

No... I'm pretty sure it's about the same thing.

[JScones]

So I seriously hope that all the posters who are praising the developers are copping the same ridicule as cherbert? I mean, by the opposing logic here (or lack thereof) it seems that it's OK to praise the devs for the good stuff but not OK to criticise the devs for the bad stuff.

It's like:
GOOD FEATURE: Well done devs! You rock! Despite the bad "suits" telling you what to do!!!
BAD FEATURE: Don't blame the devs, it's the bad "suits" fault for not <insert excuse here>

Give me a break. Coders code. Publishers publish.

All those blaming the "suits" for rushing the game only need to look at Storm of War: Battle of Britain to see how little water the argument holds.

Originally Posted by cherbert

I don't recall saying that they do have a say in anything? But you surely aren't suggesting that UBISOFT dictate the technicalities of the game code are you?

So you think UBISOFT designed the game not Romania? You think UBISOFT told them to leave out a Depth Under Keel button? You think UBISOFT told them to make the crew do the twist when you have a conversation with them? You think UBISOFT told the devs to break the Hydrophone in the first patch and make the game unplayable by resetting the morale every time I dock?

I know that they are the first in line to blame, the devs, and I remember when I've had the guts to say that loud and clear even before the game was released I was banned. It was obvious from the previews that the game will be a real flop. If they are putting in front of us the pathetic excuse of "not having the required time", it just won't stand. If they would had some self respect, in that moment they would have resigned and go to Spain to pick up strawberries for living, better than sell themselves and their beliefs so easily. But I am not sure they have this kind of Knights Of The Round Table principles to be driven off ... They are supposed to be creators of something reliable, and if they are not allowed to do that in a proper way, they should resign with dignity. I am Romanian, the devs are also Romanian and when I tell you that my people have some problems when it's about having healthy principles I am not lying you. And I am saying that with great sadness but I am trying to be as objective as possible.
I am not naive, things are not what they seem to be or the way they should be. The man is the most perverted animal on earth.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by jerm138

Because you bought the game from UBISOFT, not the developers.

Let's say I'm looking to buy a 5-year old house. And while doing my pre-closing inspection, I notice many problems with the house: Crooked doorways, the shingles are crooked, the floor squeaks... you get the idea.

Should I:

a) Decide I don't like it and stick with my current house?
b) Make an offer to buy the house AFTER the owner fixes the problems?
c) Call up the builder and throw a fit because he didn't build the house I want?

Choices 'a' and 'b' are reasonable.

Choice 'c' is absurd. So is blaming the developers of SH5.

Very poor analogy.

I buy my kitchen equipment from Kmart. If any of it falls apart, by your logic, Kmart is to blame as the authorised seller, when in fact the responsibility to fix is with the manufacturer (heck, they give me a warranty just for this reason).

And here's the flaw in your logic...who are we asking to produce patches? the devs? or the publisher? Who will code the patches? the devs? or the publisher? If the patches fix bugs, who will we thank? the devs? or the publisher?

The devs are the first to blame, JScones
And now they are hiding themselves behind that "We are not allowed to interfere with the mortals now due to the nature of our job or of our contracts with Almighty UBI ...".
And NOBODY here has the right to tell you what to say about the devs. YOU made a lot of things for FREE, from your heart, they did everything for money. And what you did is more reliable, than what they did.

[R-T-B]

To be fair, the bug with the deck gun is not a bug at all, but rather that you have no morale when giving the order (it requires it). It's easy to fix, just remove morale by editing the crew abilities text file (where it exists exactly escapes me at the moment).

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

The devs are the first to blame, JScones
And now they are hiding themselves behind that "We are not allowed to interfere with the mortals now due to the nature of our job or of our contracts with Almighty UBI ...".
And NOBODY here has the right to tell you what to say about the devs. YOU made a lot of things for FREE, from your heart, they did everything for money. And what you did is more reliable, than what they did.

Again?