DD not responding to attacks?

malkuth74 · 03-03-10, 12:03 AM

My next little harp I have. Anyone notice that the DD protecting convoys do nothing when one of the ships they are protecting blow up. they just keep steaming full speed ahead.

the only way I got a DD to respond to me was when I surfaced and thought they were far enough away for I could shell a burning Merchant ship. But once I surfaced they finally came running for me.

So anyone notice any real DD action vs you? I know its early in the war still and maybe they are green crews and all... But usually when a ship goes boom... you would think they would at least change course to look for you. LOL. wow.

Bubblehead1980 · 03-03-10, 12:28 AM

check the mission editor and see what skill level they are set to(if you can in SH 5) I know in SH 4 I found out one reason enemy DD's were usually so easy, 90% were set to novice or poor skill level.They prob did it again.

coasterdigi · 03-03-10, 12:29 AM

Yea, I just experienced something similar as I blasted through the middle of a convoy with guns blazing

The DD DID hit me after awhile, though, so I got to experience some flooding. Neat!

JohnnyMacintosh · 03-03-10, 02:06 AM

Yeah, the AI Escorts need some serious tuning. I can just walk into a convoy, blow up half the stuff, and leave, without the escorts doing anything. And harbor defenses need ramping up... Trust me when I say that its REALLY easy to get into Scapa Flow.

malkuth74 · 03-03-10, 02:56 PM

Planes also don't seem to respond well to the player ship.

Had tones fly over me but not do anything.

Something is certainly wrong with the AI I think. Don't think we can chalk it up to green crews.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 03:12 PM

I've been digging through the script files in the game and there's some stuff that strikes me as odd in the AI scripting. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of these scripts are half-finished and not working as intended, and actually AI skill level setting may be having something to do with it.

For what it's worth, all the reports I'm getting suggest that at least novice-level air AI isn't working, while the mechanism that forces DD AI to go into alert mode and search the area where the attack happened is broken. Both could easily be down to broken scripts and I hope the devs look at this quickly for the next patch.

joejccva71 · 03-03-10, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

I've been digging through the script files in the game and there's some stuff that strikes me as odd in the AI scripting. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of these scripts are half-finished and not working as intended, and actually AI skill level setting may be having something to do with it.

For what it's worth, all the reports I'm getting suggest that at least novice-level air AI isn't working, while the mechanism that forces DD AI to go into alert mode and search the area where the attack happened is broken. Both could easily be down to broken scripts and I hope the devs look at this quickly for the next patch.

I don't understand how something so gamebreaking as DD AI could have been not tested before release. I thought the AI was supposed to be much more robust and intuitive in this new title.

malkuth74 · 03-03-10, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joejccva71

I don't understand how something so gamebreaking as DD AI could have been not tested before release. I thought the AI was supposed to be much more robust and intuitive in this new title.

Maybe the devs have the same mantra lots of people on these boards have....

Oh the Modders will fix it.

walsh2509 · 03-03-10, 03:53 PM

early war 39-40 was it not the case that navy cover for merchants was only from 200+miles out and the early equipment as they say could hardly find an elephant in a room.

I understand that DD should be tweaked but not to jump to overpowering in the early years just becuase it doesn't feel right.

Bilge_Rat · 03-03-10, 03:55 PM

could be based on skill levels. In the Narvik single mission, DD's spotted my periscope and started firing at it from a fairly long range.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-10, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by walsh2509

early war 39-40 was it not the case that navy cover for merchants was only from 200+miles out and the early equipment as they say could hardly find an elephant in a room.

I understand that DD should be tweaked but not to jump to overpowering in the early years just becuase it doesn't feel right.

Excellent point sir. Recall the devs felt the uboat war ended in 43 when it was damn near impossible to survive a patrol. Should the escort be killers at this point?

malkuth74 · 03-03-10, 03:59 PM

I understand the point of the early war guys... But seriously... Do you think that if your a destroyer captain in the early years and all of a sudden your merchant that your escorting blows up.. That maybe you should at least change course, slow down and start to at least try? Even if its futile?

In my 3 examples the destroyers just kept going straight and did not blink an eye.

LOL.

Rock on sailor dudes. We have 2 others that are still moving.

CCIP · 03-03-10, 03:59 PM

Well, while overall the escort effectiveness shouldn't be too great in '39, it's worth pointing out that on a per-patrol/per-uboat basis, the first few months of the war were in fact some of the deadliest of the war for U-boats.

AVGWarhawk · 03-03-10, 04:01 PM

CCIP, does the game offer rookie up to elite like SH4 does with warships?

CCIP · 03-03-10, 04:05 PM

yeah. I've not looked into it too deep, but the "levels" look to be identical. And the vast majority of everything in early game is rookie.

03-03-10, 12:03 AM	#1
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	DD not responding to attacks? My next little harp I have. Anyone notice that the DD protecting convoys do nothing when one of the ships they are protecting blow up. they just keep steaming full speed ahead. the only way I got a DD to respond to me was when I surfaced and thought they were far enough away for I could shell a burning Merchant ship. But once I surfaced they finally came running for me. So anyone notice any real DD action vs you? I know its early in the war still and maybe they are green crews and all... But usually when a ship goes boom... you would think they would at least change course to look for you. LOL. wow. __________________

03-03-10, 12:29 AM	#3
coasterdigi Sailor man Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL Posts: 50 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	Yea, I just experienced something similar as I blasted through the middle of a convoy with guns blazing The DD DID hit me after awhile, though, so I got to experience some flooding. Neat! __________________ "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put." -Churchill

03-03-10, 02:56 PM	#5
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Planes also don't seem to respond well to the player ship. Had tones fly over me but not do anything. Something is certainly wrong with the AI I think. Don't think we can chalk it up to green crews. __________________

03-03-10, 03:12 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I've been digging through the script files in the game and there's some stuff that strikes me as odd in the AI scripting. I have a sneaking suspicion that some of these scripts are half-finished and not working as intended, and actually AI skill level setting may be having something to do with it. For what it's worth, all the reports I'm getting suggest that at least novice-level air AI isn't working, while the mechanism that forces DD AI to go into alert mode and search the area where the attack happened is broken. Both could easily be down to broken scripts and I hope the devs look at this quickly for the next patch. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-03-10, 03:55 PM	#10
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	could be based on skill levels. In the Narvik single mission, DD's spotted my periscope and started firing at it from a fairly long range. __________________

03-03-10, 12:28 AM	#2
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,144 Downloads: 608 Uploads: 44	check the mission editor and see what skill level they are set to(if you can in SH 5) I know in SH 4 I found out one reason enemy DD's were usually so easy, 90% were set to novice or poor skill level.They prob did it again.

03-03-10, 02:06 AM	#4
JohnnyMacintosh Watch Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 17 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Yeah, the AI Escorts need some serious tuning. I can just walk into a convoy, blow up half the stuff, and leave, without the escorts doing anything. And harbor defenses need ramping up... Trust me when I say that its REALLY easy to get into Scapa Flow.

03-03-10, 03:53 PM	#9
walsh2509 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 410 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	early war 39-40 was it not the case that navy cover for merchants was only from 200+miles out and the early equipment as they say could hardly find an elephant in a room. I understand that DD should be tweaked but not to jump to overpowering in the early years just becuase it doesn't feel right.

03-03-10, 03:59 PM	#12
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I understand the point of the early war guys... But seriously... Do you think that if your a destroyer captain in the early years and all of a sudden your merchant that your escorting blows up.. That maybe you should at least change course, slow down and start to at least try? Even if its futile? In my 3 examples the destroyers just kept going straight and did not blink an eye. LOL. Rock on sailor dudes. We have 2 others that are still moving. __________________

03-03-10, 04:01 PM	#14
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,293 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	CCIP, does the game offer rookie up to elite like SH4 does with warships? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-03-10, 04:05 PM	#15
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	yeah. I've not looked into it too deep, but the "levels" look to be identical. And the vast majority of everything in early game is rookie. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)