TLAMs very unreliable - most just slide along ground

DirkDP · 03-02-10, 09:13 AM

Isn't there a way to mod the TLAMs to do more dammage? A 1000lbs warhead should do more than 10pct dammage per hit?

DDP.

Molon Labe · 03-03-10, 12:01 AM

Considering that the targets mentioned in this thread are a shipyard and an airport, 10% might actually be on the high side. 10 missiles to completely wipe out either of those seems quite low. Consider just how many different facilities/buildings there are on each of those sites that would draw at least one missile, if not two, three, or four.

Dr.Sid · 03-03-10, 08:17 AM

It would be rather simple in DB editor .. but changing the mission would be much easier.

bottomcrawler · 03-04-10, 03:44 AM

SPOILERS AHEAD!

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Yeah, I changed the mission and started over. The first part is ridiculously easy anyway. The transports run straight and don't really fire back, and the subs run too shallow so they end up surfaced. Finished them all off with Harpoons and one Mk48.

As it turned out, a steady stream of TLAMs from some allied ship far to the south finished off the naval base for me, while I was busy racing down to kill some of the ships in the carrier task force group heading for the island.

DirkDP · 03-11-10, 06:42 PM

First, vanilla DW patched 1.04 does not have this problem with the Taiwan Strait TLAMs. My TLAMs hit the Ningpo buildings 12 out of 12 every time.

I replaced the TLAM doctrine with the LwAmi ones. Everything works perfectly, so no problem there. But not with the LwAmi309 mod activated.
So I started looking around with the DW editor. And I found following:
TLAM Surf - Object Type: missile - Sim Type: missile.
TLAM - Object Type: missile - Sim Type: torpedo.
TASM - Object Type: missile - Sim Type: missile.

In stock DW there's only one TLAM in the database and both object & sim type were missile.

That 'sim type torpedo' seemed strange to me so I changed it to missile. And while I was there I increased the TLAM damage to 556 because that was the damage for the TASM.

I tried out the mission (several times) and it worked. I do get an occasional dud but I'm able to kill the naval base (100pct damage) and one of the shipyards with my 12 TLAMs.
I do not put my TLAM waypoint on the exact location of the objects because they are in the water but just 'over the edge on land' and I spread them a little.

DDP.

Molon Labe · 03-11-10, 10:59 PM

That's interesting. The "torpedo" type is so launching them produces a TIW warning. I'll try to reproduce this tomorrow to see if the torpedo tag has any other unintended side effects.

Molon Labe · 03-13-10, 10:33 PM

Well, I've run some tests and I've been able to reproduce the result you've described. Apparently adding TIW alerts in this fashion keeps causing more problems than they're worth. Maybe in a few months we'll find out it's screwed up the SUBROCs too!

Actually, no, those are used much more by the players so if there was something wrong we'd probably have known about it by now.

LWAMI 3.10 will either remove the TIW alerts on LAMs or have a seeker for coastal targets.

03-02-10, 09:13 AM	#1
DirkDP Nub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 3 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Isn't there a way to mod the TLAMs to do more dammage? A 1000lbs warhead should do more than 10pct dammage per hit? DDP. __________________ I\'m still thinking on that one...

03-03-10, 12:01 AM	#2
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Considering that the targets mentioned in this thread are a shipyard and an airport, 10% might actually be on the high side. 10 missiles to completely wipe out either of those seems quite low. Consider just how many different facilities/buildings there are on each of those sites that would draw at least one missile, if not two, three, or four. __________________

03-03-10, 08:17 AM	#3
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	It would be rather simple in DB editor .. but changing the mission would be much easier. __________________ ComSubSim forum at CADC

03-11-10, 06:42 PM	#5
DirkDP Nub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 3 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Think I've cracked it... First, vanilla DW patched 1.04 does not have this problem with the Taiwan Strait TLAMs. My TLAMs hit the Ningpo buildings 12 out of 12 every time. I replaced the TLAM doctrine with the LwAmi ones. Everything works perfectly, so no problem there. But not with the LwAmi309 mod activated. So I started looking around with the DW editor. And I found following: TLAM Surf - Object Type: missile - Sim Type: missile. TLAM - Object Type: missile - Sim Type: torpedo. TASM - Object Type: missile - Sim Type: missile. In stock DW there's only one TLAM in the database and both object & sim type were missile. That 'sim type torpedo' seemed strange to me so I changed it to missile. And while I was there I increased the TLAM damage to 556 because that was the damage for the TASM. I tried out the mission (several times) and it worked. I do get an occasional dud but I'm able to kill the naval base (100pct damage) and one of the shipyards with my 12 TLAMs. I do not put my TLAM waypoint on the exact location of the objects because they are in the water but just 'over the edge on land' and I spread them a little. DDP. __________________ I\'m still thinking on that one...

03-11-10, 10:59 PM	#6
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	That's interesting. The "torpedo" type is so launching them produces a TIW warning. I'll try to reproduce this tomorrow to see if the torpedo tag has any other unintended side effects. __________________

03-04-10, 03:44 AM	#4
bottomcrawler Mate Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 53 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	SPOILERS AHEAD! - - - - - Yeah, I changed the mission and started over. The first part is ridiculously easy anyway. The transports run straight and don't really fire back, and the subs run too shallow so they end up surfaced. Finished them all off with Harpoons and one Mk48. As it turned out, a steady stream of TLAMs from some allied ship far to the south finished off the naval base for me, while I was busy racing down to kill some of the ships in the carrier task force group heading for the island.

03-13-10, 10:33 PM	#7
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Well, I've run some tests and I've been able to reproduce the result you've described. Apparently adding TIW alerts in this fashion keeps causing more problems than they're worth. Maybe in a few months we'll find out it's screwed up the SUBROCs too! Actually, no, those are used much more by the players so if there was something wrong we'd probably have known about it by now. LWAMI 3.10 will either remove the TIW alerts on LAMs or have a seeker for coastal targets. __________________ Last edited by Molon Labe; 03-13-10 at 10:44 PM.