[REL] Fm_NewInteriors v1.0...

Reece · 03-02-10, 08:36 AM

@ [SJ]nailz, the patch is so that an application, like SH3, can use memory greater than 2Gb, so naturally nothing else is required for 64 bit system to work, BUT it can be used in 32 bit XP with the /3Gb switch added to the boot.ini file, this will allow the application to use 3Gb instead of 2Gb, HOWEVER, although SH3 will now run other applications are effected by this switch causing stuttering, lockups etc, this is what I found so I don't use the patch!

see: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162357
@ Aces, I will give it a try!!

Edit: No difference at all!!

[SJ]nailz · 03-02-10, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

@ [SJ]nailz, the patch is so that an application, like SH4, can use memory greater than 2Gb, so naturally nothing else is required for 64 bit system to work

WRONG

It quite clearly says in the readme that the 4GB patch is an attempt to try to make a 32bit application use 64bits worth of memory ON A 64bit SYSTEM.

SH3 is a 32bit app (x86 architecture) it can only access less than 3GB of RAM. It doesn't matter whether you have XP32bit or XP64bit, SH3 is a 32bit program, and that is that.

Using this patch ON A 64bit OS will give SH3 a memory boost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

BUT it can be used in 32 bit XP with the /3Gb switch added to the boot.ini file, this will allow the application to use 3Gb instead of 2Gb, HOWEVER, although SH5 will now run other applications are effected by this switch causing stuttering, lockups etc, this is what I found so I don't use the patch!:

Sure, it can, but you are altering the way XP orders it's memory by using the /3Gb switch, this is why the jumping and stuttering with other programs, not because of this patch.

If you are using it to try force more memory on a 32bit system of course it will cause problems as this was not its intended use.

In the first quote you mention SH4, in this quote SH5, I'm talking about SH3. I don't know about the others, but SH3 running on a 64bit OS, will benefit from this patch.

Do you have a 64bit OS? judging from your posts, I think not, I hate to slam you but you are telling people to not use a patch because of your experience in using it incorrectly.

To sum it up;

If you have a 32bit system USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

If you have a 64bit system and 4GB or more of RAM USE IT. If you want to.

evan82 · 03-02-10, 10:28 AM

I use only stern quarters and "kitchen" at this time. Disel compartment is great, but also little empty. I think this can be change in the future, but mod is very good!:

JCWolf · 03-02-10, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [SJ]nailz

WRONG

It quite clearly says in the readme that the 4GB patch is an attempt to try to make a 32bit application use 64bits worth of memory ON A 64bit SYSTEM.

SH3 is a 32bit app (x86 architecture) it can only access less than 3GB of RAM. It doesn't matter whether you have XP32bit or XP64bit, SH3 is a 32bit program, and that is that.

Using this patch ON A 64bit OS will give SH3 a memory boost.

Sure, it can, but you are altering the way XP orders it's memory by using the /3Gb switch, this is why the jumping and stuttering with other programs, not because of this patch.

If you are using it to try force more memory on a 32bit system of course it will cause problems as this was not its intended use.

In the first quote you mention SH4, in this quote SH5, I'm talking about SH3. I don't know about the others, but SH3 running on a 64bit OS, will benefit from this patch.

Do you have a 64bit OS? judging from your posts, I think not, I hate to slam you but you are telling people to not use a patch because of your experience in using it incorrectly.

To sum it up;

If you have a 32bit system DO NOT USE IT.

If you have a 64bit system and 4GB or more of RAM USE IT. If you want to.

Hi there mate,

I believe you must be right but,
However I am using a Xp Pro, 32 bit system and patched
the SH3 exe and applied the 3 Gbs patch to the boot.ini and
until now I had no problems of what so ever!

Now, I think it also depends on the Machine power or Specs,
on the hardware you have, and on Graphic card memory also
along with other stuff, cause apart from that and the fact
that SH III was built to Run on a 32 bit system it haves also
its own memory capability the in fact I doubt it reaches the
2 Gbs... Problems started when Mods that ask more memory
to function properly were released, and that is also a fact
that you can full the system for a time but after the system
will win , this means all sorts of problems can happen and
the better one is just game CTD....

[SJ]nailz · 03-02-10, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCWolf

Hi there mate,

I believe you must be right but,
However I am using a Xp Pro, 32 bit system and patched
the SH3 exe and applied the 3 Gbs patch to the boot.ini and
until now I had no problems of what so ever!

Now, I think it also depends on the Machine power or Specs,
on the hardware you have, and on Graphic card memory also
along with other stuff, cause apart from that and the fact
that SH III was built to Run on a 32 bit system it haves also
its own memory capability the in fact I doubt it reaches the
2 Gbs... Problems started when Mods that ask more memory
to function properly were released, and that is also a fact
that you can full the system for a time but after the system
will win , this means all sorts of problems can happen and
the better one is just game CTD....

Dont get me wrong, I'm kind of agreeing with Reece as well as disagreeing, and I'm not wanting to start a flame war, but if you read the manual, on a 64bit OS, there really is no downside. On a 64bit OS there is no need to mess with any boot.ini files or anything, with a 64bit OS you run it, and throw it away, no messing, it's spot on.

If you want to use it with a 32bit OS, fair enough, if it helps you, sweet.

Reece however was saying Dont use it. That I disagree with, if you know how to use it, and then use it properly, with a 32bit OS, it's a good addition. No doubt.

sabretwo · 03-02-10, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [SJ]nailz

On a 64bit OS there is no need to mess with any boot.ini files or anything, with a 64bit OS you run it, and throw it away, no messing, it's spot on.

... if you know how to use it, and then use it properly, with a 32bit OS, it's a good addition. No doubt.

I just tried the 4GB Patch on my Win 7 system (Sony Vaio with 4GB Sony Memory Stick as ReadyBoost). AMEN!

Everything is now working like a charm...even with all the new textures and models in the new Med Mod. I think it actually sped up load time too!

Now for the real test, seeing if it survives a mission. Last night I did some tweaking in mods and got Kiel and St. Nazaire working, only to crash later when in map mode and running 8X time compression in the background.

Cheapskate · 03-02-10, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [SJ]nailz

If you have a 32bit system DO NOT USE IT.

If you have a 64bit system and 4GB or more of RAM USE IT. If you want to.

Hi Shipmate,

Not being particularly computer savvy, I hesitate to disagree with you.
However, since upping the memory on my 32bit WinXP system to 4gb, I have used the patch seemingly to good effect, on the "heavier" SH3 versions (notably LSH5 and WAC 4.1).

I have noticed no knock-on effects whatsoever, and the horrendous stuttering I was occasionally getting with FM's Interior mod has now disappeared!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I got the impression the patch only affects exes upon which it has been applied for as long as they are being run. The OS reverting to the usual memory allocations thereafter.

Certainly I have not noticed any problems with other applications that I have run after exiting programs upon which it has been employed.

[SJ]nailz · 03-02-10, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheapskate

Hi Shipmate,

Not being particularly computer savvy, I hesitate to disagree with you.
However, since upping the memory on my 32bit WinXP system to 4gb, I have used the patch seemingly to good effect, on the "heavier" SH3 versions (notably LSH5 and WAC 4.1).

I have noticed no knock-on effects whatsoever, and the horrendous stuttering I was occasionally getting with FM's Interior mod has now disappeared!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I got impression the patch only affects exes upon which it has been applied for as long as they are being run. The OS reverting to the usual memory allocations thereafter.

Certainly I have not noticed any problems with other applications that I have run after exiting programs upon which it has been employed.

The patch itself, for what I can gather, isn't the problem, it's messing with XP's boot.ini that causes problems.

My advice was based on what I had read, and understood. The manual for the patch says 64bit systems, Reece says don't use it, a whole thread says don't use it!

All I know is that on my system Win7 64bit before I installed it SH3 would CTD, after it is perfect.

***EDIT***

First post edited from DO NOT USE, to USE AT OWN RISK.

vergol · 03-02-10, 01:04 PM

Hypothetically speaking, is there a way to undo this 4gb patch?

piri_reis · 03-02-10, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vergol

Hypothetically speaking, is there a way to undo this 4gb patch?

Yes definitely, very easy indeed.
Windows XP/2003/32bit systems using boot.ini /3GB switch is a microsoft practice, it is recommended for running large applications for example standard practice for using Exchange on a 32bit system. Of course you have to know what you're doing and how it can be effecting other things. For home users I'm positive it won't effect most people. The 4GB Exe patch for SH3 is something that only effects SH3 when applied. I use both of these on my XP/32bit/4GB Ram machine and yes it definetly fixed the problems I had with a very heavy modded game.

LiveGoat · 03-02-10, 01:31 PM

Well, thanks to Makman's advice I got her running with ACM via S3D. Also, with a little tweaking in the config, I now have a near complete free camera/fps experience below decks. Now the only nut I can't seem to crack is the bridge view. I'm rooted to the ground. There's got to be a way to get the bridge view to always be a free cam.

JCWolf · 03-02-10, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vergol

Hypothetically speaking, is there a way to undo this 4gb patch?

Yep first take of the SHIII exe and put there the Baked up one, I did a Back up long ago....Still use it for occasions like this, then replace the Boot.ini for the back up boot ini that I assume you have made before patching it with the 3 GB patch....

If you have no Boot.ini back up just open the actual Boot.ini with notepad and take this line of /3GB /USERVA=2990 , Save it and restart your PC...

everything it is back to the previous state

03-02-10, 08:36 AM	#1
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,901 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	@ [SJ]nailz, the patch is so that an application, like SH3, can use memory greater than 2Gb, so naturally nothing else is required for 64 bit system to work, BUT it can be used in 32 bit XP with the /3Gb switch added to the boot.ini file, this will allow the application to use 3Gb instead of 2Gb, HOWEVER, although SH3 will now run other applications are effected by this switch causing stuttering, lockups etc, this is what I found so I don't use the patch! see: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162357 @ Aces, I will give it a try!! Edit: No difference at all!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!* Last edited by Reece; 03-02-10 at 06:42 PM.

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evan82 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 555 Downloads: 197 Uploads: 12	I use only stern quarters and "kitchen" at this time. Disel compartment is great, but also little empty. I think this can be change in the future, but mod is very good!: __________________ MY MODS - evan82's XXI Water StreamVIIB War Skin IIevan82's XXI Skin...

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vergol Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 121 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Hypothetically speaking, is there a way to undo this 4gb patch?

03-02-10, 01:31 PM	#11
LiveGoat XO Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 408 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 0	Well, thanks to Makman's advice I got her running with ACM via S3D. Also, with a little tweaking in the config, I now have a near complete free camera/fps experience below decks. Now the only nut I can't seem to crack is the bridge view. I'm rooted to the ground. There's got to be a way to get the bridge view to always be a free cam.