VIIB with VIIC conning tower?

kylania · 03-01-10, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

Ok its official ! They screwed up the VIIB model in sh-5 in the final version. Check the 3rd post of this thread. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...162521&page=17
I mean so much material of the VIIB literaly a click away on the internet and they give the VIIB the wrong conning tower.
How could they make a mistake like this?

I'm not really seeing the screw up here. Here's a comparison of the shots that CCIP made in game with a retail copy and historic shots of U-48, a VIIB boat:

Heretic · 03-01-10, 05:12 PM

Looking at Anatomy of the Ship Type VII U-boat, it appears that the splash shield is the later type found on the C and the exhaust fairing on the stbd side isn't there, so it's likely the same model. Honestly, they're so similar, the devs probably just saved the man hours for use elsewhere. 95% of the buyers wouldn't notice it anyway.

oscar19681 · 03-01-10, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

I'm not really seeing the screw up here. Here's a comparison of the shots that CCIP made in game with a retail copy and historic shots of U-48, a VIIB boat:

do you even know the visual differences of the VIIB and VIIC? If not check this to find out.

Now the VIIC conning tower.

I mean is it so hard to see the difference? They did it right in sh-3 and in sh-5 they get it wrong?

kylania · 03-01-10, 05:25 PM

Both U-53 (the one you posted) and U-48 (the one I posted) are VIIB boats. I guess there were multiple conning towers for VIIBs and Ubisoft picked one to use?

Heretic · 03-01-10, 05:36 PM

Oscar19681 is correct. Look at the splash shield, the exhaust fairing, and the rear profile of the flak platform. It is a VIIC conning tower.

Where I think he's incorrect is in thinking that it was an oversight. It was almost certainly a case of "close enough, we ain't got time for it". It'll likely be fixed in a patch or failing that, will be modded.

Nordmann · 03-01-10, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

It'll likely be fixed in a patch or failing that, will be modded.

I doubt that very much. If some of the posters on here can't recognise the difference between a VIIB and VIIC, then you can bet your backside Ubi certainly will not. In any case, now that the model is done, they won't go back and change it to satisfy those in the know (probably a minority). It will have to be modded, assuming the game is moddable in the first place.

quad5 · 03-02-10, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

I doubt that very much. If some of the posters on here can't recognise the difference between a VIIB and VIIC, then you can bet your backside Ubi certainly will not. In any case, now that the model is done, they won't go back and change it to satisfy those in the know (probably a minority).

Very badly! The situation with models in game calls into question into the competence of designers UBI.

CaptainNemo12 · 03-01-10, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Both U-53 (the one you posted) and U-48 (the one I posted) are VIIB boats. I guess there were multiple conning towers for VIIBs and Ubisoft picked one to use?

Correction: The U-boat posted in this shot is actually the U-52

The type VIIB had numerous tower types during the war, the above configuration is most likely from 1940 to 1941, after which the towers were replaced with VIIC style towers and most of the boats allocated to training flotillas.

oscar19681 · 03-01-10, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainNemo12

Correction: The U-boat posted in this shot is actually the U-52

The type VIIB had numerous tower types during the war, the above configuration is most likely from 1940 to 1941, after which the towers were replaced with VIIC style towers and most of the boats allocated to training flotillas.

I think you are confused with the fact that there were VIIC,s with wirecutters. I never seen any evidence that there were ever VIIB,s with a VIIC tower.

CaptainNemo12 · 03-01-10, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

I think you are confused with the fact that there were VIIC,s with wirecutters. I never seen any evidence that there were ever VIIB,s with a VIIC tower.

By VIIC-style towers I meant that there was a down swept windbreaker at the top. U-52 in this case had such a modification done to her after becoming a training boat:

oscar19681 · 03-01-10, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainNemo12

By VIIC-style towers I meant that there was a down swept windbreaker at the top. U-52 in this case had such a modification done to her after becoming a training boat:

I wasent talking the swept windbreakers but about the different shape of the tower itself

quad5 · 03-02-10, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

I mean is it so hard to see the difference? They did it right in sh-3 and in sh-5 they get it wrong?

It is a shame for UBI!

urfisch · 03-02-10, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by quad5

It is a shame for UBI!

as to the models names, ubi didnt model the 3d objects in romania. they where modeled in a spanish country. and this is a common way...to "import" the models from countries, with cheaper 3d modelers. but what about quality management? seems, they only took the delivered models and put them in the game, without checking them...also the flags mast in front of the boat is in again.

this is a fail. right.

Florent · 03-02-10, 04:56 AM

When you look at the banner on Marinesims.de the VIIb is different more like early b à la Prien. The top of Conning tower is like type a.

oscar19681 · 03-02-10, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Florent

When you look at the banner on Marinesims.de the VIIb is different more like early b à la Prien. The top of Conning tower is like type a.

Thats because its a VIIA

03-01-10, 05:12 PM	#2
Heretic Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 617 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 2	Looking at Anatomy of the Ship Type VII U-boat, it appears that the splash shield is the later type found on the C and the exhaust fairing on the stbd side isn't there, so it's likely the same model. Honestly, they're so similar, the devs probably just saved the man hours for use elsewhere. 95% of the buyers wouldn't notice it anyway. __________________ - heretic I enjoy drinking beer. MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 - Updated 22 March MightyFine Less Annoying Footsteps Crew AI Scripting Information

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kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Both U-53 (the one you posted) and U-48 (the one I posted) are VIIB boats. I guess there were multiple conning towers for VIIBs and Ubisoft picked one to use? __________________

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Heretic Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 617 Downloads: 240 Uploads: 2	Oscar19681 is correct. Look at the splash shield, the exhaust fairing, and the rear profile of the flak platform. It is a VIIC conning tower. Where I think he's incorrect is in thinking that it was an oversight. It was almost certainly a case of "close enough, we ain't got time for it". It'll likely be fixed in a patch or failing that, will be modded. __________________ - heretic I enjoy drinking beer. MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 - Updated 22 March MightyFine Less Annoying Footsteps Crew AI Scripting Information Last edited by Heretic; 03-01-10 at 05:37 PM. Reason: spelling

03-02-10, 04:56 AM	#14
Florent Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 27 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When you look at the banner on Marinesims.de the VIIb is different more like early b à la Prien. The top of Conning tower is like type a.