Hmph - Page 2

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti

True, but the controls look like utter ass compared to SH3/SH4. Just sayin'.

So is the OP saying that those retarded paint-by-numbers torpedo number things are always on? Uggh.

I hate to be disagreeing so much, but its clean quick and precise IMO. The immersion factor here is the fact that the captain wouldn't be looking at TDC dials and compasses and dials all the time especially with the scope up.

Don't worry tho, this GUI is highly moddable.

gutted · 03-01-10, 02:56 PM

Ok i see what our differences are now.

If you have TDC Off:

If you rotate your scope over a target and DONT lock it, the weapon officer will compute "his" solution for you. It's likely inaccurate and it's also highly bugged in it's behaviour. When you move your scope off it, the torpdoe path doesn't adjust back to your scope. It's stuck at whatever lead angle he computed at the moment you put your scope on the target. You have to flip TDC On and back off again to rest it.

BUT....

If you instead LOCK the target, you have to aim it yourself. The torpdo path is slaved to your scope and you get aiming cues. THIS is what im talking about.

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gutted

Ok i see what our differences are now.

If you have TDC Off:

If you rotate your scope over a target and DONT lock it, the weapon officer will compute "his" solution for you. But it's highly bugged. When you move your scope off it, the torpdoe path doesn't adjust back to your scope. You have to flip TDC On and back off again.

BUT....

If you instead LOCK the target, you have to aim it yourself. The torpdo path is slaved to your scope and you get aiming cues. THIS is what im talking about.

HHAHA between me and you this game will be nothing but a set of bones with the meat picked off ;]

gutted · 03-01-10, 03:09 PM

Here's a screenie of what it looks like. It's not the best shot, because he saw me and is coming at me.. but you can clearly see that you have to aim it yourself. (the target is locked btw)

You can see where he will be at times 1, 2, & 3.. and where the torpdeo will be at times 1, 2, & 3.

Just manuever in, aim it so they will collide at some point in time. Either on 3, or halfway between 2 & 3 etc etc.

gutted · 03-01-10, 03:20 PM

And here it is with our "time 3's" overlapped.

At this point, i have the correct lead angle if he doesn't turn. Too bad he's alert though, and will just dodge it. A Spread would have been in order.

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 03:30 PM

Its more like officer assistance than an auto solution

Bilge_Rat · 03-01-10, 03:37 PM

Gutted, your explanation does not match up with what I am seeing and I have been pouring over the TDC this weekend to try to master it.

The solution the XO gives you is a gross estimate and usually way off in terms of speed and range. I believe turning TDC off just allows you to manually point and shoot.

but I will recheck tonight when I get home and report back tomorrow.

gutted · 03-01-10, 03:40 PM

Yeah, i may use this for alittle while, until the manual TDC operation is alittle less annoying.

gutted · 03-01-10, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Gutted, your explanation does not match up with what I am seeing and I have been pouring over the TDC this weekend to try to master it.

The solution the XO gives you is a gross estimate and usually way off in terms of speed and range. I believe turning TDC off just allows you to manually point and shoot.

but I will recheck tonight when I get home and report back tomorrow.

Turn TDC off.. and lock a target. With a target "locked".. it overrides the XO's solution and gives you cues to help you aim it yourself.

Again, my screen shots are with Manul Targetting On and No map contacts.

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gutted

Yeah, i may use this for alittle while, until the manual TDC operation is alittle less annoying.

Hows it annoying? You can now type in your data rather than losing time trying to drag your mouse on a dial.

If you do the math properly it doesn't matter if you have a crummy looking interface, all the info is there to enter data into the TDC..... except there is no way to set a spread except to do it manually by changing the bearing fast, which is the one lame thing in my opinion.

Anyone to figure out how to set the spread will get a hero biscuit.

Are you guys using math to find your solutions?

gutted · 03-01-10, 03:44 PM

BilgeRat:
Look at page 23 in the manual. The description is alittle vague.. but it has pictures.

gutted · 03-01-10, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddrgn

Hows it annoying? You can now type in your data rather than losing time trying to drag your mouse on a dial.

If you do the math properly it doesn't matter if you have a crummy looking interface, all the info is there to enter data into the TDC..... except there is no way to set a spread except to do it manually by changing the bearing fast, which is the one lame thing in my opinion.

Anyone to figure out how to set the spread will get a hero biscuit.

You can type it? LOL i didn't even think to try that AHAHAHA. I was banging my head on the desk clicking the left/right arrows over and over again.

I still hate the recognition manual though, it's too small for these eyes.

Onkel Neal · 03-01-10, 04:08 PM

And the devs said they were going to make this game easier for the casual players

subsimlee · 03-01-10, 04:10 PM

Hey guys, followed your posts on this " firing solution/TDC " . You've already dug out more info than the manual gives for sure but you say you can type in data related to a solution. What data exactly and where/how????
please and thank you!

edit: My observation as well Neal !!!

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subsimlee

Hey guys, followed your posts on this " firing solution/TDC " . You've already dug out more info than the manual gives for sure but you say you can type in data related to a solution. What data exactly and where/how????
please and thank you!

edit: My observation as well Neal !!!

Hehe, this is an informative thread indeed.

You can type your numbers into the screen you have been seeing in the screen shots. Everyone was worried that you could only set speed in increments of 2. You can type in any number actually via the keyboard.

Simple fast, effective for on the fly math and real time adjustments.

03-01-10, 03:30 PM	#21
ddrgn Korvettenkapitän Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 918 Downloads: 362 Uploads: 30	Its more like officer assistance than an auto solution __________________ ddrgn mods: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=217261

03-01-10, 03:37 PM	#22
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Gutted, your explanation does not match up with what I am seeing and I have been pouring over the TDC this weekend to try to master it. The solution the XO gives you is a gross estimate and usually way off in terms of speed and range. I believe turning TDC off just allows you to manually point and shoot. but I will recheck tonight when I get home and report back tomorrow. __________________

03-01-10, 04:08 PM	#28
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	And the devs said they were going to make this game easier for the casual players __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

03-01-10, 02:56 PM	#17
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	Ok i see what our differences are now. If you have TDC Off: If you rotate your scope over a target and DONT lock it, the weapon officer will compute "his" solution for you. It's likely inaccurate and it's also highly bugged in it's behaviour. When you move your scope off it, the torpdoe path doesn't adjust back to your scope. It's stuck at whatever lead angle he computed at the moment you put your scope on the target. You have to flip TDC On and back off again to rest it. BUT.... If you instead LOCK the target, you have to aim it yourself. The torpdo path is slaved to your scope and you get aiming cues. THIS is what im talking about.

03-01-10, 03:09 PM	#19
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	Here's a screenie of what it looks like. It's not the best shot, because he saw me and is coming at me.. but you can clearly see that you have to aim it yourself. (the target is locked btw) You can see where he will be at times 1, 2, & 3.. and where the torpdeo will be at times 1, 2, & 3. Just manuever in, aim it so they will collide at some point in time. Either on 3, or halfway between 2 & 3 etc etc.

03-01-10, 03:20 PM	#20
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	And here it is with our "time 3's" overlapped. At this point, i have the correct lead angle if he doesn't turn. Too bad he's alert though, and will just dodge it. A Spread would have been in order.

03-01-10, 03:40 PM	#23
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	Yeah, i may use this for alittle while, until the manual TDC operation is alittle less annoying.

03-01-10, 03:44 PM	#26
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	BilgeRat: Look at page 23 in the manual. The description is alittle vague.. but it has pictures.

03-01-10, 04:10 PM	#29
subsimlee Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 55 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Hey guys, followed your posts on this " firing solution/TDC " . You've already dug out more info than the manual gives for sure but you say you can type in data related to a solution. What data exactly and where/how???? please and thank you! edit: My observation as well Neal !!!