Making the most of the forced Internet connection [X-Pack ideas]

tater · 02-28-10, 12:56 PM

Borrow the idea used in the new Napoleon: Total War. "Drop-in battles."

You play your campaign, and when you meet an enemy, the game uses the online connection to find another player who has this setting enabled, and they get to pause their campaign, and take over an escort, or a wolfpack member.

bigboywooly · 02-28-10, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Borrow the idea used in the new Napoleon: Total War. "Drop-in battles."

You play your campaign, and when you meet an enemy, the game uses the online connection to find another player who has this setting enabled, and they get to pause their campaign, and take over an escort, or a wolfpack member.

Much as the old wolfpack league used to do
All run with the same campaign files and roughly same patrol dates
If you found a convoy you would study make up and heading etc
Then an MP game would take place using that convoy and a few other uboats
All torpedos expended before encounter would not count in the MP

Though like the idea of it being done auto for you

Dowly · 02-28-10, 01:07 PM

I think you guys are forgetting that this DRM was made to protect the better selling titles like AC2, SH5 is just hanging on to it. I very much doubt that they'd start to tailor the DRM to SH5's needs.

tater · 02-28-10, 01:13 PM

NTW has a setting where you participate, then when a campaign battle happens, an available player is prompted, they pause THIER game, and take over as one of your enemies.

Such a system is ideal. The "host" player would control time compression, obviously, but with built-in chat, he could ask if it was a good time. Perhaps TC might be limited to some sort of low value for MP.

It would be possible to have players enter as both friendly units, and ideally as escorts as well. Imagine fighting stupid AI, when even 1 escort is a cagey human...

609_Avatar · 02-28-10, 01:39 PM

Sorry for the side tracked post but you guys started it.

As for NTW, you're not implying it has a similar requirement that you need to be online all the time, right? It uses Steam, which you can still play offine, and therefore you're talking about multiplayer? Thanks for the answers and sorry for the derailment/hijack.

tater · 02-28-10, 02:40 PM

Not at all. I was saying that IF you are going to have a requirement to be online all the time, then it would be more palatable if there was a real added value in such a requirement. Having other units commanded by humans would absolutely be such an added value.

Given the current OSP, I'm 100% out of SH (and any other Ubi title) barring some positive reason for 100% connectivity. I can be sold on online DRM, but I need it to have some positive value for me to offset the negatives (the current situation is 100% negative, the save games nonsense can be done without being online all the time).

Rockin Robbins · 02-28-10, 03:40 PM

Ditto what Tater said, plus the DRM must have a shred, maybe even just a crass pretention of respect for the game company's customers. This is cram it down our throat, "play it our way chumps, or forget computer games" insult. Ubi has seriously overplayed their hand and has taken a knife to a gunfight. No SH5 for me, probably ever. My privacy and my property rights are not for sale. Oops, I forgot. We get to pay THEM to be abused.

CaptainHaplo · 02-28-10, 03:50 PM

While the "sharing of gameplay" has some positives - the idea is not truly applicable to the way SH5 was designed. Remember - its a semi-dynamic campaign. In that revolves the direction of enemy forcese, etc. The game your playing isn't going to have the same order of battle and dispersal of forces as someone else will - so the game cannot notify you of a convoy or TF - because it may not actually BE there in YOUR game - though it is in someone elses.

theluckyone17 · 02-28-10, 03:53 PM

I'm right with Tater and RR. As it stands in its current implemenation, OSP offers me nothing, and provides plenty of reason for me not to buy SH5 or any other Ubisoft product.

If Ubi provided something in return for the limitations imposed by OSP, then I might be willing to reconsider.

Allowing human controlled escorts would be a good start.

Noren · 02-28-10, 01:07 PM

That would be so awesome!

02-28-10, 01:39 PM	#5
609_Avatar Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 3rd Planet From The Sun Posts: 345 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Sorry for the side tracked post but you guys started it. As for NTW, you're not implying it has a similar requirement that you need to be online all the time, right? It uses Steam, which you can still play offine, and therefore you're talking about multiplayer? Thanks for the answers and sorry for the derailment/hijack. __________________ Avatar

02-28-10, 03:40 PM	#7
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Ditto what Tater said, plus the DRM must have a shred, maybe even just a crass pretention of respect for the game company's customers. This is cram it down our throat, "play it our way chumps, or forget computer games" insult. Ubi has seriously overplayed their hand and has taken a knife to a gunfight. No SH5 for me, probably ever. My privacy and my property rights are not for sale. Oops, I forgot. We get to pay THEM to be abused. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

02-28-10, 03:50 PM	#8
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	While the "sharing of gameplay" has some positives - the idea is not truly applicable to the way SH5 was designed. Remember - its a semi-dynamic campaign. In that revolves the direction of enemy forcese, etc. The game your playing isn't going to have the same order of battle and dispersal of forces as someone else will - so the game cannot notify you of a convoy or TF - because it may not actually BE there in YOUR game - though it is in someone elses. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

02-28-10, 12:56 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Borrow the idea used in the new Napoleon: Total War. "Drop-in battles." You play your campaign, and when you meet an enemy, the game uses the online connection to find another player who has this setting enabled, and they get to pause their campaign, and take over an escort, or a wolfpack member.

02-28-10, 01:07 PM	#3
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,056 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I think you guys are forgetting that this DRM was made to protect the better selling titles like AC2, SH5 is just hanging on to it. I very much doubt that they'd start to tailor the DRM to SH5's needs.

02-28-10, 01:13 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	NTW has a setting where you participate, then when a campaign battle happens, an available player is prompted, they pause THIER game, and take over as one of your enemies. Such a system is ideal. The "host" player would control time compression, obviously, but with built-in chat, he could ask if it was a good time. Perhaps TC might be limited to some sort of low value for MP. It would be possible to have players enter as both friendly units, and ideally as escorts as well. Imagine fighting stupid AI, when even 1 escort is a cagey human...

02-28-10, 02:40 PM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Not at all. I was saying that IF you are going to have a requirement to be online all the time, then it would be more palatable if there was a real added value in such a requirement. Having other units commanded by humans would absolutely be such an added value. Given the current OSP, I'm 100% out of SH (and any other Ubi title) barring some positive reason for 100% connectivity. I can be sold on online DRM, but I need it to have some positive value for me to offset the negatives (the current situation is 100% negative, the save games nonsense can be done without being online all the time).

02-28-10, 03:53 PM	#9
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	I'm right with Tater and RR. As it stands in its current implemenation, OSP offers me nothing, and provides plenty of reason for me not to buy SH5 or any other Ubisoft product. If Ubi provided something in return for the limitations imposed by OSP, then I might be willing to reconsider. Allowing human controlled escorts would be a good start.

02-28-10, 01:07 PM	#10
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	That would be so awesome!