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Yak · 02-28-10, 10:36 AM

The big difference with WoW and othe MMORPG's is that they're usually given away for free, and the only thing you pay for is the right to play it on their server.

If you don't want to play it anymore, you don't pay for it.

Here you buy something, that you must be online for to play it, and without it, you've got a $90 USD coaster. If for some technical reasons you can't play it, you're still out of pocket.

czarnaszabla · 02-28-10, 10:42 AM

actually - no. This is due to the fact, that the EULA makes private WoW servers illegal. Hence, the provision that you may not use the game unless you are going to play it like it was intended - using paid blizzard servers.

But i may have misstated something:

the actual game discs, are a product. What i do with them after purchase, is my of buisness, as long as i don't break the law. To that end, every software contains an EULA, which has the user agree that he will not pirate the software or it's impossible to install.

But the software contained on the WoW game discs is a client (and therefore a service, not a product), and it's use is contingent on follwing the terms of service.

edit:

@ Yak - actually, WoW is not given away for free, but the one-time fee for the game and expansions determines your level of access - without buying the Burning Crusade, you can't get past level 60 or reach certain zones. But you are not required to buy it to play.

Nowhere though, is it stated that after installing WoW i MUST play it, or pay the subscription fee - i can even cancel my subscription and i'm not reqired to buy a new client to reactivate my account.

jwilliams · 02-28-10, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Yak

The big difference with WoW and othe MMORPG's is that they're usually given away for free, and the only thing you pay for is the right to play it on their server.

I must have missed the freebies

I payed $100 for World of warcraft

I payed $70 for WOW BC addon

and I payed $70 for WOW WotLK

then i have to pay $50 every 60 days

not what i would call free.

But yeah i agree that for a single player game you shouldnt have to be online.

But you still dont own any software you've bought, wether it has DRM or not.

czarnaszabla · 02-28-10, 11:01 AM

that's a lot of money - the WoW monthly subscription is only 13 euro, not 50 bucks, unless you have more than one account.

And i agree with the last bit - since software is data, it is sold under the provision of a contract (the eula), which prohibits piracy, reverse engineering, and the like - that's called intellectual property.

but talk about MY intellectual property.

If these companies think they have the right to inspect everything i do on my pc "just to make sure" i'm not doing anything they might not like - that's an intrusion into my privacy, and i'm with the hackers here.

Sure - you can chalki it up as yet another system requirement, but there is a line somwhere. A system requirement to USE the software most either have something to do tith the way the software works, or it must not exist.

Companies ask to upgrade your hardware, because as the graphics develop, and computers become more powerful, they want to take advantage of that by making the visuals more stunning, and the game code more complex, so the system specs must be high enough to cope with that.

Like i said - u want shiny colors, then you can't use a black&white monitor and wonder why the colors aren't displayed.

You want to play over the internet - have some internet.

You want to download a 3GB content patch for WoW - make sure you have those 3GB free on your drive.

Technical requirements are fine.

"this game offers no multiplayer and nothing is gained from being connected to the internet, but you will have to be connected anyway or we won't let you play the game" is not.

jwilliams · 02-28-10, 11:09 AM

Yeah us New Zealander's get ripped off.

As you can see from link below, its $50 for 60 days
http://www.ebgames.co.nz/pc/product....=productsearch

And i agree with you, that software companies are going too far with this DRM stuff.

And the only way to make them see this is to not buy their products.... if it sells they wont change it.

Rip · 02-28-10, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jwilliams

Me too.

I had a 500+ with 2megs of ram

And windows reminds me of the Amiga's operating system (not sure if microsoft copied it but its very similar).

Amiga was the shiznit. I had 2 500s, a 1000 , and a 3000 was my last one. Heck my 500s didn't even have a HDD, just loaded games from floppy!

Wolfehunter · 02-28-10, 03:37 PM

ubi isn't alone in this. Bethesda has done this many times too. I'm not surprised.. Ubi is evil I tell ya... hehehe the darkside is strong with them..

Yak · 03-01-10, 05:49 AM

I got a copy of WoW for free from EB with a purchase, didn't have any of the expansions or anything, but the initial install disc was free.

Same with that Age of Conan game, free too.

I just don't play RPG's generally.

jwilliams · 03-01-10, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Yak

I got a copy of WoW for free from EB with a purchase, didn't have any of the expansions or anything, but the initial install disc was free.

Same with that Age of Conan game, free too.

I just don't play RPG's generally.

I believe what you got was the 10 day free trial disk. Which comes on 1 disk. Here in NZ that disk is sold for $5 (Stores prob trying to make money from something they got for free)

The actual WOW game is on 4 disks with a 208 page manual.

the prices i paid are release day prices.

Unfortuently i know longer play WOW due to them making it too easy (complants from casual gamers saying it was too hard, so they patched it making it easy).

back on subject :-

Ubisoft forums deleted my post

all i said was "I dont like how you cant save if you lost connection from Ubisoft servers. Whos stupid idea was that?" and today its gone.

02-28-10, 10:36 AM	#76
Yak Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Here, sometimes there Posts: 113 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The big difference with WoW and othe MMORPG's is that they're usually given away for free, and the only thing you pay for is the right to play it on their server. If you don't want to play it anymore, you don't pay for it. Here you buy something, that you must be online for to play it, and without it, you've got a $90 USD coaster. If for some technical reasons you can't play it, you're still out of pocket. __________________ It all started with a goat, a golf club and a pack of Marlboro Red's...

02-28-10, 11:09 AM	#80
jwilliams Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,013 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Yeah us New Zealander's get ripped off. As you can see from link below, its $50 for 60 days http://www.ebgames.co.nz/pc/product....=productsearch And i agree with you, that software companies are going too far with this DRM stuff. And the only way to make them see this is to not buy their products.... if it sells they wont change it. __________________ Windows 7, 64bit. Phenom II 965BE (OC 4cores @ 3.8 Ghz). Radeon HD4870 (1gb gddr5). 6gb Ram.

02-28-10, 03:37 PM	#82
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	ubi isn't alone in this. Bethesda has done this many times too. I'm not surprised.. Ubi is evil I tell ya... hehehe the darkside is strong with them.. __________________

03-01-10, 05:49 AM	#83
Yak Torpedoman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Here, sometimes there Posts: 113 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I got a copy of WoW for free from EB with a purchase, didn't have any of the expansions or anything, but the initial install disc was free. Same with that Age of Conan game, free too. I just don't play RPG's generally. __________________ It all started with a goat, a golf club and a pack of Marlboro Red's...

02-28-10, 10:42 AM	#77
czarnaszabla Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 16 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	actually - no. This is due to the fact, that the EULA makes private WoW servers illegal. Hence, the provision that you may not use the game unless you are going to play it like it was intended - using paid blizzard servers. But i may have misstated something: the actual game discs, are a product. What i do with them after purchase, is my of buisness, as long as i don't break the law. To that end, every software contains an EULA, which has the user agree that he will not pirate the software or it's impossible to install. But the software contained on the WoW game discs is a client (and therefore a service, not a product), and it's use is contingent on follwing the terms of service. edit: @ Yak - actually, WoW is not given away for free, but the one-time fee for the game and expansions determines your level of access - without buying the Burning Crusade, you can't get past level 60 or reach certain zones. But you are not required to buy it to play. Nowhere though, is it stated that after installing WoW i MUST play it, or pay the subscription fee - i can even cancel my subscription and i'm not reqired to buy a new client to reactivate my account.

02-28-10, 11:01 AM	#79
czarnaszabla Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 16 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	that's a lot of money - the WoW monthly subscription is only 13 euro, not 50 bucks, unless you have more than one account. And i agree with the last bit - since software is data, it is sold under the provision of a contract (the eula), which prohibits piracy, reverse engineering, and the like - that's called intellectual property. but talk about MY intellectual property. If these companies think they have the right to inspect everything i do on my pc "just to make sure" i'm not doing anything they might not like - that's an intrusion into my privacy, and i'm with the hackers here. Sure - you can chalki it up as yet another system requirement, but there is a line somwhere. A system requirement to USE the software most either have something to do tith the way the software works, or it must not exist. Companies ask to upgrade your hardware, because as the graphics develop, and computers become more powerful, they want to take advantage of that by making the visuals more stunning, and the game code more complex, so the system specs must be high enough to cope with that. Like i said - u want shiny colors, then you can't use a black&white monitor and wonder why the colors aren't displayed. You want to play over the internet - have some internet. You want to download a 3GB content patch for WoW - make sure you have those 3GB free on your drive. Technical requirements are fine. "this game offers no multiplayer and nothing is gained from being connected to the internet, but you will have to be connected anyway or we won't let you play the game" is not.