Support the Community - DONT BUY SHV

[AVGWarhawk]

@ Uber Gruber : Only a handful of possible SH5 buyers are currently aware of the problems that DRM is going to create. A majority of players will certainly buy this game on impulse, cause the pictures on the game's cover look fine, without even knowing what is a U-Boot, in fact.
Ubi would give in to boycott pressure if it was general, I mean, if and only if every possible buyer refrains from purchasing the game until it gets a patch disabling DRM.

Alex, I think you assume to much.

[flakmonkey]

The silent hunter series IS the community, without a game to congregate around the community ceases to exist, despite any differences we may have with ubi over DRM i think its important we still support the series, after all its all we have!

[KV]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

If 61% of the voting subsim community have voted against buying till DRM is removed then surely the other 39% of the subsim community should support their fellows by at least holding off from purchase for a few weeks so that UBI get the hint ?

That's like saying if 61% were voting for a presidential candidate, the rest of the population should do the same for the best of the nation. It didn't work in the Soviet Union or anywhere else, so why would it be logical now? I am not going to buy the game now since I do not even have the free time you need to be able to play it properly, but I will in the future. One thing I most definitely will not do is buy it because someone says it is for some "greater good".

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by msxyz

Let the sales figures speak for themselves.

What will make them attribute poor sales to DRM, as opposed to lack of interest?

[BigBANGtheory]

I will respect the suggestion made by the OP, it may well be the numbers or volume of players are too small to be noticed but it is a point of principle worth supporting IMHO.

Publishers like to divide and conquer and assume all gamers/consumers are just looking out for themselves, I'd like to change that perception.

[Apos]

I wont buy now SHV cos of 3 reasons:
- too high price for stock game,
- where SH game series is going - casual/arcade area,
- SHV need some good mods and fixes/patches, then i start thinking about buying it

Im not big fan of DRM but it doesnt bother me.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by flakmonkey

The silent hunter series IS the community, without a game to congregate around the community ceases to exist, despite any differences we may have with ubi over DRM i think its important we still support the series, after all its all we have!

Thats all right! Well said sir!

[Schultzy]

I won't be buying it, as much as it pains me, but that is my decision. However, that's all it is; my decision. It's not done to further a cause or to emphasise an already laboured point.
I really do hope that UBI change their stance (doubtful I know), but I also hope that those who do buy it enjoy their purchase.

[msxyz]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

What will make them attribute poor sales to DRM, as opposed to lack of interest?

Focus groups, market surveys, opinion hunters scouting the comunity forums. I work in the field, I know what I'm talking about...

They might not admit it (ever heard of a public company admitting "sorry, we screwed" if not for avoiding legal charges?) and they might even go further and release a statement that they're terminating SH series due to poor interest in the public. But they will surely know what the real cause is.

Let Silent Hunter 5, Assassin Creed 2 be a reminder to the industry. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice and you may rot in hell

[Greentimbers]

I will buy it because I prefer the Atlantic theater.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by msxyz

Focus groups, market surveys, opinion hunters scouting the comunity forums. I work in the field, I know what I'm talking about...

They might not admit it (ever heard of a public company admitting "sorry, we screwed" if not for avoiding legal charges?) and they might even go further and release a statement that they're terminating SH series due to poor interest in the public. But they will surely know what the real cause is.

There's just as much complaining about the game and rivets not being in the right place and the crew animations being poor and the game only being to 1943 and there only being one type of boat and there only being... as there is complaining about DRM, so the only way for them to test how much of it is due to DRM is to release a DRM free version and watch how the sales pick up.

[Q3ark]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

If 61% of the voting subsim community have voted against buying till DRM is removed then surely the other 39% of the subsim community should support their fellows by at least holding off from purchase for a few weeks so that UBI get the hint ?

So if you buy then you're working against the majority of subsim members.

I accept this is a controversial stance.....but surely it would be nice to help support your community ?

Cheers, UG

By purchasing a game that interests me I am "working against the majority of subsim members" Really?? Well forgive me if I don't lose any sleep over that

[msxyz]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

There's just as much complaining about the game and rivets not being in the right place and the crew animations being poor and the game only being to 1943 and there only being one type of boat and there only being... as there is complaining about DRM, so the only way for them to test how much of it is due to DRM is to release a DRM free version and watch how the sales pick up.

Not necessarily. Professional opinion hunters are trained to ignore the ever present people nitpicking defects in every product they happen to buy. People complaining about small defects may be vocal but hardly have any statistical relevance.

Even before committing resources to develop SH5 you can be sure UbiSoft studied past sales and the market interest for another sequel.

They're expecting to move a certain amount of copies of SH5. If the amount of copies sold is well below expectations and cannot be explained by indipendent or external causes (economic downturns, competition offering a better product, shift of interest in the consumers due to unforseen factors, etc...) they will start to look for the cause elsewhere.

Software houses even have some pretty accurate data on how many pirate copies are circulating of a certain game.

If DRM will scare people away or boost the demand for a pirated copy of SH5, Ubisoft will know it. Trust me.

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by msxyz

Software houses even have some pretty accurate data on how many pirate copies are circulating of a certain game.

If DRM will scare people away or boost the demand for a pirated copy of SH5, Ubisoft will know it. Trust me.

Pretty accurate data on number of pirated copies? How would they do that?

Also Ubisoft determining the causes of demand or lack of it, is pretty remote, with the intelligence of reading their consumers and the market, they have shown so far..

[jerm138]

I won't be buying it right off the bat, but not only because of DRM.

Having said that, I think that the OP has fallen off his rocker, as have many of the doomsdayers acting like SH5 and its DRM will be the end of the world for them.

I got into the game late (just a few months ago). I liked SH3 for the short time I played it, and REALLY like SH4. I can't understand getting emotionally upset that the new version doesn't suit you. Just don't play it. Obviously you like the other versions or you wouldn't be here, so just keep playing them. But don't try to rally other players to NOT buy the game just because YOU don't like it. There are much more appropriate ways to get your point across.

I'm amazed that the moderators tolerate boycott talk like this.