Another Falklands war?

diver · 02-19-10, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

In '82 even the US Navy said it would be impossible for the UK to take the Falklands back by force and the Argentinians believed it themselves, and bet on it. (The RN had very little sea-based air power at the time) I would say Argentina now knows this in not the case. I would be very surprised if they took military action again.

I'd argue strongly that they have even less Sea-based Air Power now.

Highbury · 02-19-10, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by diver

I'd argue strongly that they have even less Sea-based Air Power now.

That could be true, I don't know what the RN has now. In '82 they had 34 Harriers.

Unfortunately for the Argentinians, and not considered in the 1982 US Navy report, was the airbase the British set up on Ascension Island two weeks after the invasion, which they used for Vulcans and their tankers.

In the modern era such land based planes would be devastating to Argentine technology.

I just don't think they could beat the UK and I think they would be less motivated, and better informed this time around, so won't even try it. Of course as with any speculation on future events, I could be dead wrong.

Tarrasque · 02-19-10, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

That could be true, I don't know what the RN has now. In '82 they had 34 Harriers.

Unfortunately and very embarassingly they abolished the Sea Harriers in 2006. All the RN has now is the ground attack version (GR7) which whilst it can carry AA missiles, lacks any form of radar.

Also we no longer have a carrier of the size of the HMS Hermes (28 harrier capacity). All we have are the ships of the Invincible class which are significantly smaller (around 9 harriers) due to budget cuts in the 60s that decided that the UK didn't need aircraft carriers. (The invincible were snuck through the budget as 'through deck cruisers'.)

Nordmann · 02-19-10, 04:45 AM

Argentina will pout and posture, but I seriously doubt they will engage in any activity of a military nature. After all, they were sent well and truly packing last time, and if they dare attempt round two, we will gladly oblige them once again.

Some countries never learn, and if they do, it's always the hard way. The Falkland Islanders are British citizens, they do not want Argentinians walking all over them. If they were given the island, where to you think these residents would go? They would be forcibly moved, and to my mind, this is no different from the German antics of WWII.

Oberon · 02-19-10, 04:53 AM

We have more forces on the Falklands than we did before the last war, and as the old saying goes "Fool me once..."
Argentina should know that and shouldn't try anything stupid.

martes86 · 02-19-10, 04:56 AM

War is not nice, at least according to Barbara Bush. Anyways, if there was another war, I'd really hope that Argentina won (I can't really say otherwise, I feel closer to argentinian people in all ways). Some countries also need a "Being humble: How to". If the UK dropped all the colonies it still posseses (or rather say, that the Crown posseses), it would lose a lot of problems. They could start by letting go of colonies within friend's (or so told) territories, like Gibraltar.

Cheers

Nordmann · 02-19-10, 05:06 AM

What you mean to say, is that we should be crushed, and told what to do by other nations that have no damned right to. Sorry, but to me, it just sounds like you are sore because Spain has no "colonies" left.

martes86 · 02-19-10, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

What you mean to say, is that we should be crushed, and told what to do by other nations that have no damned right to. Sorry, but to me, it just sounds like you are sore because Spain has no "colonies" left.

No sore... actually it's better that way. I'd definitely pass on Ceuta and Melilla too, which are the last real colonies outside our territories (kind of a not-so-good place to have colonies anyway). The only reasons they're still part of Spain are because the Constitution says so, and because the people there prefer very much to be live in "Europe" than to be part of Moroco and their rightless arab monarchy (which, sounds logical anyways).

Crushed... no country should be crushed, but it seems power grants that right, and the right to tell everyone what to do. I'd prefer to be told what to do from the USA than from the UK, which BTW, is no longer an Empire, and the colonialism era is long gone.

Oberon · 02-19-10, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by martes86

War is not nice, at least according to Barbara Bush. Anyways, if there was another war, I'd really hope that Argentina won (I can't really say otherwise, I feel closer to argentinian people in all ways). Some countries also need a "Being humble: How to". If the UK dropped all the colonies it still posseses (or rather say, that the Crown posseses), it would lose a lot of problems. They could start by letting go of colonies within friend's (or so told) territories, like Gibraltar.

Cheers

What problems? There is no problems, just Argentina being full of hot air again.

There's not going to be a war, Argentina isn't that stupid.

TarJak · 02-19-10, 05:18 AM

Can't see the Argies being that stoopid a 2nd time. Meh who knows?

02-19-10, 04:45 AM	#4
Nordmann Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: England Posts: 628 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Argentina will pout and posture, but I seriously doubt they will engage in any activity of a military nature. After all, they were sent well and truly packing last time, and if they dare attempt round two, we will gladly oblige them once again. Some countries never learn, and if they do, it's always the hard way. The Falkland Islanders are British citizens, they do not want Argentinians walking all over them. If they were given the island, where to you think these residents would go? They would be forcibly moved, and to my mind, this is no different from the German antics of WWII. __________________ "I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." - H. G. Wells

02-19-10, 05:06 AM	#7
Nordmann Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: England Posts: 628 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	What you mean to say, is that we should be crushed, and told what to do by other nations that have no damned right to. Sorry, but to me, it just sounds like you are sore because Spain has no "colonies" left. __________________ "I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." - H. G. Wells

02-19-10, 04:53 AM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	We have more forces on the Falklands than we did before the last war, and as the old saying goes "Fool me once..." Argentina should know that and shouldn't try anything stupid.

02-19-10, 04:56 AM	#6
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	War is not nice, at least according to Barbara Bush. Anyways, if there was another war, I'd really hope that Argentina won (I can't really say otherwise, I feel closer to argentinian people in all ways). Some countries also need a "Being humble: How to". If the UK dropped all the colonies it still posseses (or rather say, that the Crown posseses), it would lose a lot of problems. They could start by letting go of colonies within friend's (or so told) territories, like Gibraltar. Cheers

02-19-10, 05:18 AM	#10
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Can't see the Argies being that stoopid a 2nd time. Meh who knows?