The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 92

onelifecrisis · 02-18-10, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

He seems to be unwilling to look at this from the purchaser's point of view. Half Life 2 was billed as being the first part in an episodic series, where each new installment would have a short story and new environments. This was stated as a benefit to the customer, as they could get new content every six months and pay a fraction of the cost of a full title. This was a good idea. Episode One takes much longer than expected to come out, but it's still at a lower price. The fans aren't happy at the delay, but at least they now have HL2 and HL2: Episode One to play.

Are you saying that it's okay to pirate a game because it was delayed?

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Then, Episode 2 takes one and a half years to make AND you can't buy it as a standalone product. You HAD to buy it with Portal, TF2, HL2 and HL2: E1. Fans of the series already had two of those games and some were only interested on the Episode Two part, which they had been expecting, as promised at a lower price. So, not much of a bargain now is it? Maybe for people who had NOT SUPPORTED VALVE, it was a great deal, but for those that had, it was a bit of a slap in the face. There was lots of complaining at the time.

Not true. Episode 2 was released on it's own, at a suitably low price, at the same time as the Orange Box. I bought it.

MasterCaine · 02-18-10, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brag

Ubi keeps changing the name. From DRM to OSP, now It's Uplay. What's the matter with them, are they nervous?

I do hope you are joking. I haven't heard this.

Maybe they should rename it UplayIfandWhenWeDecideUplay

Seafireliv · 02-18-10, 09:01 AM

I would happily pay £10 extra for a dongle than sit with this 24\7 Activation. With a dongle the game is MINE to play anywhere. UBI`S draconian DRM prevents ease of freedom.

Interesting how UBI never bothered asking us if a dongle would be ok in a poll or market research.

MasterCaine · 02-18-10, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ParaB

This.

It's nothing new that the gaming industry wants to switch over to a subscription-based model in the not-so-far future. The 1st step is tying games into an account system, which also handily prevents the re-selling of games, since we can't have people buying cheap, second-hand games, no Sir!

The whole DRM-issue has really not much to do with copy-protection but all the more with profit maximizing.

Well said. I totally agree. They are setting up this DRM scheme for something else later on- whether it be add-ons or subscription fees to play. Plus, this DRM thing will conveniently kill-off used game resales.

Nisgeis · 02-18-10, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Are you saying that it's okay to pirate a game because it was delayed?

No, I'm not saying it. I am saying that the large publishers will not be loyal to their customer base, regardless of the customer bases' loyalty to them. I never mentioned anything to do with piracy or illegal activities in that post. I was addressing the bias of the author, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Not true. Episode 2 was released on it's own, at a suitably low price, at the same time as the Orange Box. I bought it.

Must have missed that - was it in the shops or only on steam? How about Portal, was that released as a standalone game? Or was that only available as an 'outstanding value' product?

onelifecrisis · 02-18-10, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Did I say that? No, I didn't. So I'm not saying it. I am saying that the large publishers will not be loyal to their customer base, regardless of the customer bases' loyalty to them.

Okay, so how does that relate to KG's article on piracy?

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Must have missed that - was it in the shops or only on steam? How about Portal, was that released as a standalone game? Or was that only available as an 'outstanding value' product?

Episode 2 was released worldwide on Steam. Portal was also released separately on Steam, but I don't remember when.

Iron Budokan · 02-18-10, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

The goal was always is to be able to charge a monthly fee in the future to allow access to the game and you cannot do that with a dongle.

Bingo.

Nisgeis · 02-18-10, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Okay, so how does that relate to KG's article on piracy?

I modified my post slightly, as the Did I say that? No? bit sounded a bit aggressive, which I didn't intend

. Like I said in the post I was agreeing with someone else who found the article well written, but didn't agree with some of the conclusions drawn and that was one example.

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Episode 2 was released worldwide on Steam. Portal was also released separately on Steam, but I don't remember when.

I never buy on steam, I always buy a boxed product as I like having the physical disc, which as far as I know was never released. I just prefer having the actual game in my hands.

MasterCaine · 02-18-10, 09:29 AM

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Players will only need the minimal broadband connection and the game runs with less that 50 kbit per second. For example, if you play Assassin's Creed II for a total of 20 hours, the game will have only transferred 2 MB of data. The game play won't be affected by such small amount of data.

I think the above says it all. If SH5 uses the same DRM as Assassin's Creed II, then...

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If you get disconnected while playing, you're booted out of the game.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...35290&site=pcg

So in other words, the game play won't be affected unless you get disconnected.

onelifecrisis · 02-18-10, 09:31 AM

I am starting to feel torn on the whole OSP issue.

It now seems possible that the retail version of SH5 may not be as forgiving as the copy Neal has, which would not be good. Furthermore, with Silent Hunter being a fairly niche market, it seems more likely that Ubisoft will shut down our server support sooner rather than later (much like EA did the other day for titles that were only 1 year old) and I'm not sure I trust them to released the promised DRM patches.

On the other hand, it may yet turn out that the final version is as forgiving as the copy Neal has. And the email Ubisoft sent Neal suggested that they really do think that their new DRM might be resilient to cracking, which would be awesome. Of course Jennifer Love Hewitt spinning on my lap would also be awesome, but I don't think that will happen either.

I will have to wait and see.

Nisgeis · 02-18-10, 09:38 AM

I was wavering a bit. I am dead against this always on internet connection, but was going to buy the game anyway and see how it was in reality. Then the PC Gamer review of AC2 spooked me a bit, but now I'm back to buying the game regardless. If it is a nightmare to play, then I will be eagerly waiting for a 'fix' to help my retail version work.

MasterCaine · 02-18-10, 09:39 AM

Anyone that thinks UBI will remove the DRM check through a patch should they permanently shut down their servers for whatever reason should read this:

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Thirdly, we just don't know what happens when Ubi turn off their servers. Right now, they're promising that they'll patch the games to take the DRM and online features out. I don't actually believe them for a second. Earlier this month, EA turned off the online servers for their 2009 branded sports titles, and there was little outcry. We've seen similar promises made in the music and film industry as DRM formats grew. When they collapsed, no effort was made to alter or patch the DRM out of purchased content. When Microsoft pulled the plug on the MSN Music Store, customers who'd purchased music with their proprietary DRM were left hanging.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=232888

Buyer beware.

onelifecrisis · 02-18-10, 09:43 AM

You sound even less decisive than me.

Speaking of a 'fix' I'm aware of a conflict in my current line of thinking.

One the one hand, if a 'fix' becomes available and it seems to have no adverse effects then I will probably buy the game knowing that I can fall back on the fix if necessary.

On the other hand I would actually be quite thrilled if a publisher managed to come up with a genuinely crack-proof DRM, even if it is a bit draconian, because I really do think there are some 'lost sales' due to piracy.

So, do I hope for a fix or hope for the absence of one?

Jimbuna · 02-18-10, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

So, do I hope for a fix or hope for the absence of one?

Will I or won't I....Is it a head or a tail

The Enigma · 02-18-10, 09:52 AM

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02-18-10, 09:31 AM	#1375
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I am starting to feel torn on the whole OSP issue. It now seems possible that the retail version of SH5 may not be as forgiving as the copy Neal has, which would not be good. Furthermore, with Silent Hunter being a fairly niche market, it seems more likely that Ubisoft will shut down our server support sooner rather than later (much like EA did the other day for titles that were only 1 year old) and I'm not sure I trust them to released the promised DRM patches. On the other hand, it may yet turn out that the final version is as forgiving as the copy Neal has. And the email Ubisoft sent Neal suggested that they really do think that their new DRM might be resilient to cracking, which would be awesome. Of course Jennifer Love Hewitt spinning on my lap would also be awesome, but I don't think that will happen either. I will have to wait and see. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

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Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	I was wavering a bit. I am dead against this always on internet connection, but was going to buy the game anyway and see how it was in reality. Then the PC Gamer review of AC2 spooked me a bit, but now I'm back to buying the game regardless. If it is a nightmare to play, then I will be eagerly waiting for a 'fix' to help my retail version work. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

02-18-10, 09:43 AM	#1378
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	You sound even less decisive than me. Speaking of a 'fix' I'm aware of a conflict in my current line of thinking. One the one hand, if a 'fix' becomes available and it seems to have no adverse effects then I will probably buy the game knowing that I can fall back on the fix if necessary. On the other hand I would actually be quite thrilled if a publisher managed to come up with a genuinely crack-proof DRM, even if it is a bit draconian, because I really do think there are some 'lost sales' due to piracy. So, do I hope for a fix or hope for the absence of one? __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

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02-18-10, 09:01 AM	#1368
Seafireliv Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 93 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I would happily pay £10 extra for a dongle than sit with this 24\7 Activation. With a dongle the game is MINE to play anywhere. UBI`S draconian DRM prevents ease of freedom. Interesting how UBI never bothered asking us if a dongle would be ok in a poll or market research.