The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 3

Jimbuna · 02-21-10, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

Right, chaps!

The article:

Link:-http://www.computerandvideogames.com...35596&site=pcg

Shows that Ubi is run by total idiots who take their customers to be bigger idiots than themselves.

Who would want to buy anything from such niwits?

If I was an Ubi shareholder, I'd be selling my shares fast.

I don't know if it's only me at my end Brag but I can't get the link to work

ryanglavin · 02-19-10, 10:19 AM

Starforce has made me get at least 15 new drivers over the years. (as in 4).

I don't want to go through that hell again.

mookiemookie · 02-19-10, 10:57 AM

Another funny.

The man represents pirates. The car represents paying customers. The bus represents Ubi's DRM:

Nordmann · 02-19-10, 12:04 PM

Damn, that guy sure was lucky, if he'd been any slower...

Onkel Neal · 02-19-10, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Another funny.

The man represents pirates. The car represents paying customers. The bus represents Ubi's DRM:

Ok, here's hoping Ubi's new OSP bus is a little faster and a little wider!!

Nordmann · 02-19-10, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ok, here's hoping Ubi's new OSP bus is a little faster and a little wider!!

Yes, so the legitimate customer can be smashed aside in a much more expedient manner!

JScones · 02-19-10, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ok, here's hoping Ubi's new OSP bus is a little faster and a little wider!!

And thus the customer car a little more crushed?

How do you crack your walnuts Neal, with a nutcracker? Or a large rubber mallet?

Your continued assertion that everyone complaining about DRM/OSP must therefore be a pirate is getting a bit tiresome and offensive (particularly when you imply that those against DRM are either idiots with no attention span or too miserly to spend $50) - I am not a fan of DRM/OSP, but, perhaps surprisingly to you, I am not a pirate. I hope you can actually understand that this is possible.

A few days ago you chipped Brag for his incessant anti-DRM posts...to that I have three words: pot, kettle, black...

Kpt. Lehmann · 02-20-10, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Another funny.

The man represents pirates. The car represents paying customers. The bus represents Ubi's DRM:

Ya know, I spent about an hour writing a post containing my thoughts regarding the DRM... only to have Subsim TIME ME OUT when I hit "submit."

So for now, the nutshell version:

UBISOFT SUCKS... and the DRM is the idiots way to nuke whole villages to kill lone insurgents.

Good post Mookie.

(No offense intended Neal, I really like you... but it is in yours and Subsim's interests to defend Ubisoft's use of said DRM w/SH5. Said DRM does NOTHING for the honest gamer/user... except to create yet another Ubizoo-branded pain in the a$$. ...and I am not lumping the actual Silent Hunter Devs into my statement... Ubisoft puts the screws to them anyway.)

The above statement(s) are only my view.

Adriatico · 02-20-10, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Ya know, I spent about an hour writing a post containing my thoughts regarding the DRM... only to have Subsim TIME ME OUT when I hit "submit."

So for now, the nutshell version:

UBISOFT SUCKS... and the DRM is the idiots way to nuke whole villages to kill lone insurgents.

Good post Mookie.

(No offense intended Neal, I really like you... but it is in yours and Subsim's interests to defend Ubisoft's use of said DRM w/SH5. Said DRM does NOTHING for the honest gamer/user... except to create yet another Ubizoo-branded pain in the a$$. ...and I am not lumping the actual Silent Hunter Devs into my statement... Ubisoft puts the screws to them anyway.)

The above statement(s) are only my view.

Just wondering... why Ubi didn't announce that "DRM present" the same day when SH5 was announced ?
It just leavs that bitter feeling - that somebody was hurrying up to undermine GWX4... and 5 months later to continue with their service presentations...

With a fully operational and offline GWX4 in January2010 - where would be "DRM cheerleaders" and Ubi now ?

Onkel Neal · 02-19-10, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by badkarma

Well that seems pretty reasonable to me. I read this as:
IF this DRM works then the loss of customers with no/bad internet is worthwhile to stop piracy and regain some lost sales.
IF this DRM is cracked and removed within a week (which to be honest will be like every other DRM to this point) then the whole thing has been a massive failure doing nothing but inconveniencing legitimate customers and probably pushing more people to piracy.

This had better be the most amazing hack-proof DRM concieved up to this point in PC gaming, or UBI are going to look amazingly stupid over this.

I still think this DRM is draconian to the max, but if it actually stops piracy then I find it hard to argue that it's the wrong way to go for games companies.
However if it doesn't work, it's done nothing but punish legitimate users.. and I'm in no mood for punishment that does nothing but make UBI feel like at least they made an effort, and they can now guarentee no re-selling and lots of marketing opportunities.

I agree with you first two points, but

read the rules, you cannot make declarations about pirating games or using cracks on legal games in this forum.

I understand that some people will legally buy the game and then look for a crack to remedy whatever inconvenience the copy protection has, but there is no way for you, me, and everyone to tell who is using cracks on legal games and who is pirating the game. So, keep that to yourself.

Note to all: this thread will be locked if this keeps up.

Heckler · 02-19-10, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I agree with you first two points, but read the rules, you cannot make declarations about pirating games in this forum.

Note to all: this thread will be locked if this keeps up.

He never made any declaration that he would pirate the game... he simply said he would look and see if it became available and cracked soon after being released... Is it against the rules to say you will look at something now?

That would be like saying 'I'm going to the library to look at a book on how to get away with murder' (they exist) and you accuse me of being a murderer.

Research and being informed is not a bad thing... those of us who are fully informed on issues are likely to make more reasoned, sensible and rational choices. Being aware that the DRM has been cracked (or not) and that the game is freely available for download (or isn't) is not a declaration of intent to pirate a game and never will be.

Onkel Neal · 02-19-10, 12:29 PM

Heckler, I understand your point, and the problem is not with Martes or badkarma's intentions. For all we know they may be telling the exact truth. However, people who download games illegally will not announce they do this (if they do, the are banned), so there is no way to tell the honest people from the dishonest people. Were you here when SH4 came out? Do you remember the people compaining that the game had serious bugs like the crew chanting numbers over and over and they had big bug eyes? Yeah, those were signs that these people were playing pirated copies of the games.* When you see 200,000 downloads on the torrents, you have to know there's a lot of people playing SH games that did not pay for them, like me...and you.

All we ask is discuss the game, the features, the flaws, the missions, etc but don't get too deep into illegal activities here. Ok?

*Nisgeis, we know you were the exception

Nisgeis · 02-19-10, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

*Nisgeis, we know you were the exception

Yep! Other people say they have legit copies and the no eyes problem - not sure what the big eyes thing is though. I never had any chanting of numbers, but I did get that horrible whooshing sound on loading save games.

Onkel Neal · 02-19-10, 12:39 PM

Yeah, we appreciated the lengths you went to in order to prove your game was legal.

Heckler · 02-19-10, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Heckler, I understand your point, and the problem is not with Martes or badkarma's intentions. For all we know they may be telling the exact truth. However, people who download games illegally will not announce they do this (if they do, the are banned), so there is no way to tell the honest people from the dishonest people. Were you here when SH5 came out? Do you remember the people compaining that the game had serious bugs like the crew chanting numbers over and over and they had big bug eyes? Yeah, those were signs that these people were playing pirated copies of the games.* When you see 200,000 downloads on the torrents, you have to know there's a lot of people playing SH games that did not pay for them, like me...and you.

I'm hoping I will be

I assume you meant SH4

and no I wasn't around then... but I ahve been around many other games that have suffered the same problems. I went out and bought GTA IV on release day for the PC and immediately had many issues trying to get it to run (on a high end PC) at an acceptable level... The GTA forums were full of the same issues... and lots of people calling anyone who had issues pirates and so forth.

Over a year later and those same issues are still going on, performance on high systems is a joke and rockstar were trying to claim the game is 'for future systems' that don't exist yet... and in a few years computers will ahve full performance... The real problem was that is was a really sh*tty port from the console and done badly... they never even bothered to change the controller configs and released it with Xbox 360 controller support only and no way to remap certain controls or actions for a mouse and keyboard.

Needless to say I struggled for a couple of months and never solved them all... and the game went back up on the shelf... tried it again a couple of months ago and new patches, but they still haven't fixed the problem of it being a sh*tty port.

Too many games, too many bugs... have left me a little bitter and suspicious of every single software developer/publisher out there.

I think that's why I'm so impressed with this place... SHIII seems to be bigger than it was 4yrs ago, bigger than SHIV and I imagine SHV isn't going to knock either of those of the top spots with things looking like they do... and even if it does and a lot of people unaware of the DRM, if those people who experience problems with it, put it on the shelf like I would and not bother with another one again... it hurts Ubisoft not us, as we've still got SHIII & IV to play with, and I suspect will have for many years to come.

02-19-10, 10:57 AM	#3
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Another funny. The man represents pirates. The car represents paying customers. The bus represents Ubi's DRM: __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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Nordmann Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: England Posts: 628 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Damn, that guy sure was lucky, if he'd been any slower... __________________ "I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." - H. G. Wells

02-19-10, 12:29 PM	#12
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,386 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Heckler, I understand your point, and the problem is not with Martes or badkarma's intentions. For all we know they may be telling the exact truth. However, people who download games illegally will not announce they do this (if they do, the are banned), so there is no way to tell the honest people from the dishonest people. Were you here when SH4 came out? Do you remember the people compaining that the game had serious bugs like the crew chanting numbers over and over and they had big bug eyes? Yeah, those were signs that these people were playing pirated copies of the games.* When you see 200,000 downloads on the torrents, you have to know there's a lot of people playing SH games that did not pay for them, like me...and you. All we ask is discuss the game, the features, the flaws, the missions, etc but don't get too deep into illegal activities here. Ok? Nisgeis, we know you were the exception __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web* Last edited by Onkel Neal; 02-19-10 at 04:08 PM. Reason: I think it's obvious

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ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Starforce has made me get at least 15 new drivers over the years. (as in 4). I don't want to go through that hell again.