The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 67

Nordmann · 02-15-10, 06:20 PM

Agreed. I've had no end of trouble with my net for a good number of years, frequent disconnects, extreme bandwidth throttling and total outages are but a few. British ISPs don't give a damn whether or not you can connect to their service, and should problems arise, you are unlikely to receive much in the way of help.

On several occasions, I was without internet for a period of six months, while my providers made excuses and shrugged it off. Any and all games requiring a connection, which was most of my collection at the time, were completely useless to me. I thus spent my time alternating between flight and sub sims, until I managed to get something sorted.

Now, with Ubi's new system, if a similar problem occurs again (my net went down for 15 minutes today), I will not be able to play the single-player game I have paid for. This may seem all well and dandy to Ubi, but it's simply not good enough as far as I'm concerned. What irks me most of all, is the seemingly glib way they have addressed our concerns, dressing their draconian DRM up as something we both want and need. Talk about misguided arrogance!

Still, they are going to learn the hard way, when their sales drop off significantly, perhaps then they will get the message. It's a real shame, because DRM aside, the game does look interesting. I will not however, pay them a sizeable sum of money, only to be told how and when to play. Not going to happen.

If and when they remove this ridiculous net connection requirement, and if the price is right (I only paid £17 for SH4 CE on release, compare that to the £30 or so for SH5 CE!), then I may consider getting it. A pity, but there are some lines I refuse to cross.

Bilge_Rat · 02-15-10, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story.

Guilty as charged, where is my copy?

I was pissed when Win XP introduced online activation, mildly annoyed when I had to use STEAM to play Half-Life2, now I figure its only a $50 game, nothing worth getting upset about.

The real acid test will be seeing how many of the posters now tearing their shirts in public will be posting in 2 weeks what a cool game this is!

Ham920 · 02-15-10, 06:57 PM

Somewhere down the line, like when they are on SH 10 or something, maybe someone will be smart enough to modify and package the game so that it does not require an internet connection. Until then Silent Hunter had a good run, but its over for me.

Onkel Neal · 02-15-10, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story.

Oh, thank you.

I know people who feel that way about you and anyone who actually pays for a game. Sheep.

mookiemookie · 02-15-10, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story.

Stow it.

Sailor Steve · 02-15-10, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story.

The 1943 thing doesn't bother me. As I've said before, modders completely trashed and rewrote the campaigns in SH3 and SH4, and will almost certainly do the same thing to SH5. They're giving us the bare bones to work with because in this particular case there is no way they have the time to make a truly thorough campaign.

The DRM is the only real stumbling block for me. But there have been more than a couple of members who like the idea, or at least don't hate it. To call them sheep is narrow-minded to say the least. Not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Possibly not even wrong.

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

The real acid test will be seeing how many of the posters now tearing their shirts in public will be posting in 2 weeks what a cool game this is!

Others have posted similar challenges, and you may be right. I think it already looks like an awesome game, and I really want to buy it. But I won't, because I won't be told how to play the game I payed my money for. And that's the truth.

Méo · 02-15-10, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

but to have to be connected to the internet whenever I want to play the game that I purchased, is a crime.

I'm always amazed to see how some people take it soooo seriously.

Some say it's gonna prevent them from playing a patrol in real time (I mean always on 1x time compression), some say it's a crime... guys, it's just a game... choice is yours, but...

- It's not gonna be the end of the world.

- Taxes will not raise for that.

- Girls won't get uglier for that.

ReFaN · 02-15-10, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The 1943 thing doesn't bother me. As I've said before, modders completely trashed and rewrote the campaigns in SH3 and SH4, and will almost certainly do the same thing to SH5. They're giving us the bare bones to work with because in this particular case there is no way they have the time to make a truly thorough campaign.

The DRM is the only real stumbling block for me. But there have been more than a couple of members who like the idea, or at least don't hate it. To call them sheep is narrow-minded to say the least. Not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot. Possibly not even wrong.

Others have posted similar challenges, and you may be right. I think it already looks like an awesome game, and I really want to buy it. But I won't, because I won't be told how to play the game I payed my money for. And that's the truth.

Dont worry stewie, il get you a permanent internet connection by airmail!

Sailor Steve · 02-15-10, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ReFaN

Dont worry stewie, il get you a permanent internet connection by airmail!

Won't matter, I still won't buy it or play it. Matter of principle.

Stewie?

ReFaN · 02-15-10, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Won't matter, I still won't buy it or play it. Matter of principle.

Stewie?

SailorStewie, sorry

Arclight · 02-15-10, 09:03 PM

That nickname might stick... with a little help.

Seaman_Hornsby · 02-15-10, 09:18 PM

Hmmm....Sailor Stewie?

3DDevil · 02-15-10, 09:23 PM

Well after consideration.... I have cancelled my pre-order of SH5 with the supplier

. DRM (which I expieriences in ROF) is not for me. I own every SH until now. I really want to own and play this game, but not with DRM.

So I am hoping that UBI see that DRM is not the answer and scraps this idea. I really like the look of the game and the new ideas that have been put in it. Like many others.. I just dont like the DRM.......

So sorry UBI another lost sale until DRM is dropped.....

Elder-Pirate · 02-15-10, 09:35 PM

As you can see under my user name I live in Morris, Illinois which is about 70/75 miles as the crow flies to Chicago where my AT&T High Speed Internet connection starts. I've had this Telephone/Internet combo for the past four years. I'm very sure they ( AT&T ) have maintenance periods when they are down but so help me I have never experienced a down time on the Internet in all this time. Lucky? Yes very lucky but my point is there is no way on this GODS green earth will I agree to a Internet company ( UBI nor any other ) making me ask them if I can play my game when I choose!

If all Hell breaks loose in the near future and Internet games are played this way, then I'll no longer be buying any new games as I've plenty to be played OFFLINE.

Besides I'm a model railroader in DCC HO scale and have a rather large layout that is 8 years old and does not require online connection period.

That can very much override this silly greedy DRM/OSP dreamed up funky idea.

Some computer geniuses just can not leave a good thing alone.

trenken · 02-15-10, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

To the ones who are ok with this? Then you are nothing more than a sheep. End of story.

That's ridiculous. There are many people like myself who just dont care about it. We have internet connections that are reliable, so just because I dont have an issue with DRM I'm a sheep now? Come on. Another one stuck in the ways that things used to be. It's not our fault things are changing now. Some of us just roll with the punches and find ways to enjoy the games, despite the changes taking place.

Im not one to just bitch about things. Its a waste of time to me. If a change happens, such as DRM, ill find a way to deal with it. If I cant for some reason, well ill find something else to do. But complain about it I wont do.

Whatever your situation is, it doesnt apply to everyone. Maybe you dont have the internet, cant afford it, dont have a reliable connection, but I hate to break this to you, millions of people actually can afford it, and do have good connections. This would not be happening if there wasnt enough of us that could deal with it. So its getting to the point now where you are starting to become the minority. Insulting those of us that dont have an issue with it wont make things better for you.

Dont buy the game, noone cares. Go play SH3 or 4 for eternity and zip the lip.

02-15-10, 06:20 PM	#991
Nordmann Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: England Posts: 628 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Agreed. I've had no end of trouble with my net for a good number of years, frequent disconnects, extreme bandwidth throttling and total outages are but a few. British ISPs don't give a damn whether or not you can connect to their service, and should problems arise, you are unlikely to receive much in the way of help. On several occasions, I was without internet for a period of six months, while my providers made excuses and shrugged it off. Any and all games requiring a connection, which was most of my collection at the time, were completely useless to me. I thus spent my time alternating between flight and sub sims, until I managed to get something sorted. Now, with Ubi's new system, if a similar problem occurs again (my net went down for 15 minutes today), I will not be able to play the single-player game I have paid for. This may seem all well and dandy to Ubi, but it's simply not good enough as far as I'm concerned. What irks me most of all, is the seemingly glib way they have addressed our concerns, dressing their draconian DRM up as something we both want and need. Talk about misguided arrogance! Still, they are going to learn the hard way, when their sales drop off significantly, perhaps then they will get the message. It's a real shame, because DRM aside, the game does look interesting. I will not however, pay them a sizeable sum of money, only to be told how and when to play. Not going to happen. If and when they remove this ridiculous net connection requirement, and if the price is right (I only paid £17 for SH4 CE on release, compare that to the £30 or so for SH5 CE!), then I may consider getting it. A pity, but there are some lines I refuse to cross. __________________ "I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea." - H. G. Wells

02-15-10, 06:57 PM	#993
Ham920 Bosun Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 66 Downloads: 1286 Uploads: 0	Internet Connection Somewhere down the line, like when they are on SH 10 or something, maybe someone will be smart enough to modify and package the game so that it does not require an internet connection. Until then Silent Hunter had a good run, but its over for me.

02-15-10, 09:03 PM	#1001
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	That nickname might stick... with a little help. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

02-15-10, 09:18 PM	#1002
Seaman_Hornsby Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 203 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Hmmm....Sailor Stewie? __________________ Friends, when once a man is launched on such an adventure as this, he must bid farewell to hopes and fears, otherwise death or deliverance will both come too late to save his honor and his reason.

02-15-10, 09:35 PM	#1004
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	As you can see under my user name I live in Morris, Illinois which is about 70/75 miles as the crow flies to Chicago where my AT&T High Speed Internet connection starts. I've had this Telephone/Internet combo for the past four years. I'm very sure they ( AT&T ) have maintenance periods when they are down but so help me I have never experienced a down time on the Internet in all this time. Lucky? Yes very lucky but my point is there is no way on this GODS green earth will I agree to a Internet company ( UBI nor any other ) making me ask them if I can play my game when I choose! If all Hell breaks loose in the near future and Internet games are played this way, then I'll no longer be buying any new games as I've plenty to be played OFFLINE. Besides I'm a model railroader in DCC HO scale and have a rather large layout that is 8 years old and does not require online connection *period.* That can very much override this silly greedy DRM/OSP dreamed up funky idea. Some computer geniuses just can not leave a good thing alone. __________________

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3DDevil Watch Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Down Under Posts: 24 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Well after consideration.... I have cancelled my pre-order of SH5 with the supplier . DRM (which I expieriences in ROF) is not for me. I own every SH until now. I really want to own and play this game, but not with DRM. So I am hoping that UBI see that DRM is not the answer and scraps this idea. I really like the look of the game and the new ideas that have been put in it. Like many others.. I just dont like the DRM....... So sorry UBI another lost sale until DRM is dropped.....