The trial of the century - the crime of the century?

[Skybird]

http://www.youtube.com/user/patconde.../0/96ZUZ9CPZII

110% right on target. This trial is about heresy, supression of free speech, and damaging the leading candidate for the upcoming elections and make his win as difficult as possible. and becasue this is being tried, he is leading the polls.

we have seen the pattern often enough now in recent years. If the people do not vote for what they should vote, and are against the policies they are demanded to follow - bypass them. Betray them, ignore them, lie to them, weaken them, render them meaningless.

In other words, this is a political trial from A to Z. Together with the latest changes in EU laws, and the obvious naturalness by which Obama snubs the EU and the EU has been rendered meaningless during the Copenhagen conference and the Eurozone slowly starting to desintegrate and latest relevations that the EU commission as a compensation for it'S lost credibility after light bulbs now wants to regulate shower-heads and possibly more and more detials of everyday life, this tells us something on what a piece of crap europe already has become.

Those raising their voice against this madness going on, become criminalised. Those perpetrators pushing this suicidal insanity, claim the monopoly of interpretation for Western culture and poltiics, although they sell away this culture as fast as they can, in pre-edvancing obedience, for no other reason than personal opportunism and - utmost cowardice.

http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html

This man is neither a rightwinger, nor is he a criminal guilty of hate crimes. He speaks out for reason, freedom, free speech, humanism, and in defence of the famous Dutch tradition of tolerance that becomes destroyed by those who know no toleqance at all. So instead of calling him a rightwinged populist, he better compares to Will Kane, and all of you guys compare to the cities of the town, in the movie they all stepped away one by one, fell in his back, and gave instructions to sday they were not at home. - What is your lame excuse not to pick his side and defend your freedom you just take so very much for granted?

So this is about the crazy populist who set out to offend and then got offended because people didn't get offended enough so decided to offend them some more.
So he isn't being prosecuted for telling the truth, he isn't being prosecuted for heresey, it ain't even an issue of free speech.
Wilders film was rubbish, it got trashed from all corners as pretentious crap. It isn't what he said in the film that he is being prosecuted for, its why he said it.
I am free to say the Pope is an ex-nazi, if I chose to walk into any one of a number of Glasgow pubs and said that I would not be prosecuted for heresey, I would not be prosecuted for telling the truth, it wouldn't be a free speech issue.
I would be prosecuted for trying to start trouble with hate speech

Condell has lost it, he should have given up when his career went down the pan.

I do hope sky remembered to look under the bed this morning , just to check the muslim horde were not hiding under there with their global conspiracy

[Happy Times]

In Defense of Geert Wilders- Petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html

In Defense of Geert Wilders- Petition

Wow 37,000 people think saving free speech involves banning books

[Platapus]

Trial of the century? Hardly.

Sounds like another nutter politician yappin his mouth off to further his agenda.

[Happy Times]

Geert Wilders addresses the court on the opening day of the trial, english subtitles.

Geert Wilders addresses the court

Interesting......

Sounds like another nutter politician yappin his mouth off to further his agenda.

that fits.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Trial of the century? Hardly.

Sounds like another nutter politician yappin his mouth off to further his agenda.

It is definitely not the trial of the century but it will show whether free speech is valid for both sides or just for one.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Trial of the century? Hardly.

Sounds like another nutter politician yappin his mouth off to further his agenda.

For being critical on Islam and referring to it's very own scripture, you can get punished at court. Intimidation and threatening with hysteric mass protests and boycots makes sovereign nation's policies bending over in submission. Youth crime statistics that used to prove black on white that Muslim colonists's youngsters are twice as often represented than Germans although there are (still) several times as many Germans than foreign Muslims, get forged and nullified by featuring no longer any differentiation by ethnicity and migration background. A wanted criminal named Muhammad S. in many major newspapers by chief editors gets politcally correctly renamed into Martin K. Heresy becomes a punishable crime, when the heresy is against Islam. The enlightenment gets reinterpreted as an effort to supress civilisational advance and reject the superiority of Islam. Sharia becomes a desirable supplementation of Western law that without it now is considered to be lacking quality, completeness, cultural affection and justice. A family murderer in a wrongly so-called honour-killing is no perpetrator but a victim of a dysfunctional family constellation who needs help and sympathy. Apostates and ex-Muslims get called fundamentalist Islam-haters. Cartoons get called an abuse of free speech. Policing of carnival parades that no Muslim offending shall take place is called an act of cultural balancing that expresses our big respect. Violence and systematic supression and killing of Jews and Christians in Mulsims lands, the discrimination and intimidation of foreign believers and religions, gets ignored, but one critical word on Islam immediately is brandmarked as a serious display of a hate-inciting haughty attitude towards Islam. Calling for reciprocity in behavior makes you a rightwing extremist. Accepting extremist organisaitons spokesmen and Saudi funding of Islamic mosque-building is called a constructive dialogue, while churches and synagogues in all Muslim coutnries gets ripped of rights, legal powers, and discriminated with the goal to end their existence. Being informed about the scriputure of Islam and the content of the Quran, the Hadith, the meaning of Sharia, is called Islamophobia. The erasing of basic human rights and freedoms gets called tolerance. Fear becomes hidden by calling it respect. Pre-advancing obedience and submission gets named as "multi-culturalism".

Pointing at these things going on, gets called an agenda of a nutter politician.

I surely think that many Western people truly deserve to loose the freedoms and rights they foolishly take for granted, and I surely think they deserve to live under the whip of Islam's totalitarian order, that is absolute, uncompromised and complete in it's claim for power. If people have freedom, but do not know what to do with it, and trade it away carelessly in order to evade the need to make a stand in defence of freedom, than they deserve the fate of freedom being taken away from them. They probably even do not care.

Be not mistaken. The rubble of WWII we have cleraned up and put aside. We buiold new. But Islam will bring darness and destruction of knowledge and civilisation for the next thousand years and longer. The damage it does to the cultures of man wherever it reached them, surpasses the Nazis' heritage both in quality and quantity. If Hitler will be remembered in the year 3500 remaisn to be seen. But Muhammad after 1400 years is stronge rthan ever. Not because it is so convincing and shining (it is not, and the backwardedness of the Muhameddan world, it'S supression of human rights and women as well as it's lacking intellectual potence, is telling evidence of that), but because we behave so dumb and so weak and cowardly and give up so willingly what our ancestors have achieved - becasue we have Angst.

The same kind of Angst that made leftist pseudo-intellectuals during the cold war warning of not provoking Soviet communism and offer it a hand and be tolerant towards it in order to avoid it becoming angry.

Back then they embraced the Soviets. The same type of people, the same type of retarded thinking today embraces - Islam.


P.S. At least this is funny, although I think that bastard should have been whipped to the drivers seat and beaten until he continued to do the work he is being payed for.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ray-aisle.html

Of course, he is free to quit the job if it collides with his precious superior beliefs (after he has brought the bus back to the station at the end of his current shift). Of course he also should be excluded from getting any social wellfare payments. If that means misery for him, he is always free to pack his things and his many children, pack his damn quran as well, and leave europe and go to a Muslim country where he can happily live and do Muslim stuff as long as we must not take note of it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ray-aisle.html

No wonder sky gets all uptight
Funny story though, the bloke in charge of Tfl is like Wilders a populist with funny hair, strange attitudes and a habit of speaking nonsense.

he is always free to pack his things and his many children

Nice assumption, a typical racist stereotype.

Of course, he is free to quit the job if it collides with his precious superior beliefs

If only the good old superior atheists were not too lazy to drive buses them lowdown Muslims wouldn't be able to steal all the jobs.

Of course he also should be excluded from getting any social wellfare payments.

Errrrr...if he quit his job he wouldn't be entitled to welfare.

BTW anyone notice that the Geert Wilders petition Happy Times posted carries a Muslim dating agency ad?

1: Freedom Of Speech was never written into any Constitution to protect Popular Speeech, as Popular Speech requires no such protection.

2: It's time to stop, and reverse, The Colonization Of Europe.
The time has come for The Dutch People to take back THEIR COUNTRY.

(I am not bothered by the left wing extremist's ". . . ist" or ". . . ism" labels that they like to throw out. Get a new line folks, as that one is dull and inneffective.)

[CaptainHaplo]

Ultimately this isn't about free speech, but about how someone with a willingness to fight for the rights of everyone EXCEPT a protected class will be dealt with.

Its also going to be extremely interesting when we see how the average citizen of the area reacts and who they choose to support.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Ultimately this isn't about free speech, but about how someone with a willingness to fight for the rights of everyone EXCEPT a protected class will be dealt with.

Its also going to be extremely interesting when we see how the average citizen of the area reacts and who they choose to support.

Overall, you're entirely corect, but free speech (and ultimately, free thinking) is a very important part of that.

Freedom Of Speech was never written into any Constitution to protect Popular Speeech as Popular Speech requires no such protection.

So a populist like Wilders doesn't need protection.

It's time to stop, and reverse, The Colonization Of Europe.

William Joyce 1942

The time has come for The Dutch People to take back THEIR COUNTRY.

Do you mean Belgium?
Will the Wallooons have to leave or should the Dutch nationalists (who like to play the victim card) get their way and insist that those nasty Frenchies assimilate into Dutch culture?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Its also going to be extremely interesting when we see how the average citizen of the area reacts and who they choose to support.

Holland since some time now sees the highest level of Dutch since WWII turning their back on their country and leaving it. The Netherlands lose educated, often specialised, tolerant social middle and high class, and they import uneducated, intolerant often antisocial low class (like it is in many other european countries, too). Good trade, eh!? And mlike in Germany and Britain and Sweden, the third generation of Muslims in Holland with migration background prove to be more orthodox and conservative and radicalised, than their grandparents two generations earlier.

Also, Wilders is leading the polls for presidential elections, his party is in lead, too. Timing of the trial has nothing to do with it, of course.

Of wilders called 18 witnesses, 15 have been rejected. Amongst them are several apostates, and official spokesmen as well as scholars of "radical" Islam, that by that obviously are not the officially wanted Christian-equivalent Euro-Islam that unfortunately does not exist, but nevertheless is taken for real. The court ruled that it does not need to hear confessions by insiders and experts who have not to tell the kind of things that officially are wanted to be taken note of, but would remind of the unpleasant truth.


Edit:

A variation of the Wilders trial:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-racism.html


And in Germany, since early Decembre, a former leftist, now PC brigade reappeared from the ruins of the cold war and started to turn things upside down, too. In the feuilletons of German papers, which are traditionally very disconnected from reality and left-leaning, a huge, very vitriolic offensive against Islam critics has been launched, often distorting facts and real life events to a degree that it borders open lying. German readers can follow the counterstrikes against this appeasement effort at the webpages of German-languaged Politicially Incorrect News, and Die Achse des Guten. In International Press, it has not gotten much attention, only the Wall Street Journal mentiones it today in two short paragraphs, which are an understatement.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...760519078.html

German Cultural Appeasement

The country's art pages consider not Islamists but their critics as the real 'preachers of hate.'


Berlin.

Just when the murderous lessons of political Islam—from the numerous terror attacks to "honor killings" and hate preachers—were thought to be inculcated into Germany's media, a wide swath of journalists and academics suffered a collective relapse into appeasement.

Commentators ranging from the conservative Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) to the left-liberal Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) and the liberal weekly Die Zeit recently identified not radical Islam but its critics as the real problem. They are "our holy warriors," (Claudius Seidl in the FAZ) "our preachers of hate" (Thomas Steinfeld in the SZ) who represent "enlightened fundamentalism" (Thomas Assheuer in Die Zeit).

The Wilders trial is everywhere across Europe.