New ship reveal - Nelson - Page 4

iambecomelife · 02-07-10, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Personally
Would rather see some merchants/tankers
After all that is what I am at sea for
Though tis nice to see a battlewagon I dont expect to see them more than once - after I have sunk it anyway

Heres hoping there are more type= designations ingame than previous releases
Gives modders a greater scope to add a different class of ship that wont show where other should ie my old fave coastal merchants

QFT.

Once again there seems to be a fixation with large, fancy battleships & carriers, even though the Battle of the Atlantic was all about sinking commercial ships. I would be happy with about 3-4 generic varieties of merchants, troopships, & tankers, like in "Aces of the Deep", but somehow I doubt that even that many will ship with the game.

bigboywooly · 02-07-10, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Once again there seems to be a fixation with large, fancy battleships & carriers, even though the Battle of the Atlantic was all about sinking commercial ships. I would be happy with about 3-4 generic varieties of merchants, troopships, & tankers, like in "Aces of the Deep", but somehow I doubt that even that many will ship with the game.

Sincerely hope will be more than that ingame
Hopefully a better mix too and variety
No C2s for everyone as in SH3

including Germany

Some totally generic shipping plus the Victory\Liberty\Oceans\Parks\Forts\Doxfords etc would be cool

iambecomelife · 02-07-10, 03:27 PM

Plus, if you think about it for a moment the premise of the Dynamic Campaign video is unrealistic.

It advises that we can "change history" by attacking Force H & other groups of capital ships, when in reality sinking these units was extremely difficult. You had to:

A) Be in a position where they were sailing towards your sub, since BB's and CV's usually were faster than 20 kts

B) Get close enough to avoid detection

C) Calculate speed, bearing, and range on an object moving much faster than the average merchant ship.

The only BB's and CV's sunk at sea by U-Boats during WWII were the following:

Courageous
Ark Royal
Barham
Eagle
Block Island
Avenger
Audacity

That comes out to little more than one heavy unit sunk per year of the war by the ENTIRE U-BOAT ARM. It's also worth noting that "Block Island", "Avenger", and "Audacity" were basically mercantile units with speeds slower than a U-Boat (15-16.5 kts) & poor protection. Plus the sinking of "Ark Royal" was a very lucky, 1-in a million shot.

Hunting task forces was not feasible until the post-WWII era, when submerged speeds began to approach the speeds of surface ships. Recognizing this, the Kriegsmarine usually assigned U-Boats to sink merchant vessels alone, only attacking heavy ships under the most favorable circumstances. But hey, I suppose the all-important "casual players" need a dozen battleship scalps to make themselves feel good.

Adriatico · 02-07-10, 03:44 PM

+ 1 jambecomlife

Too much "battleships" opsession... and simulation should be directed to merchants and convoys, i.e. search for them...

But I guess that kids that are "target group" of Ubi marketing like blasting HMS Rodney and change the history...

But who are we, anyway, to complain...?

Dowly · 02-07-10, 03:45 PM

I want to see merchants!!

tomfon · 02-07-10, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I want to see merchants!!

That depends on the quality of your internet connection. lol

elanaiba · 02-07-10, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Adriatico

+ 1 jambecomlife

Too much "battleships" opsession... and simulation should be directed to merchants and convoys, i.e. search for them...

But I guess that kids that are "target group" of Ubi marketing like blasting HMS Rodney and change the history...

But who are we, anyway, to complain...?

Okay, that's it. I agree. We're taking the battleships out

Kapitanleutnant · 02-07-10, 04:10 PM

so how about that drm1943typeviionly eh? hoo boy yep that sure is something

Schroeder · 02-07-10, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I want to see merchants!!

I thought you were after boobies?

Jimbuna · 02-07-10, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Okay, that's it. I agree. We're taking the battleships out

LMAO

Adriatico · 02-07-10, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elanaiba

Okay, that's it. I agree. We're taking the battleships out

"Taken out" is 80% of simulation community... so battleships are not problem, just leave them... They are too large to be saved online, anyway...

Elder-Pirate · 02-07-10, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Nah targets will either have a green outline or a red one so you know which ones to shoot at.

And if its colored blue then you better not launch that torp or donitz will have you for breakfast.

Sailor Steve · 02-07-10, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Some totally generic shipping plus the Victory\Liberty\Oceans\Parks\Forts\Doxfords etc would be cool

Want those Canadian split-superstructure Liberties!

Platapus · 02-07-10, 05:00 PM

Forget the size of the flag. I wanna know why the hell there is a bloody bus floating above the ship?

Task Force · 02-07-10, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Forget the size of the flag. I wanna know why the hell there is a bloody bus floating above the ship?

hmm... new british plane...

02-07-10, 03:27 PM	#48
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,709 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Plus, if you think about it for a moment the premise of the Dynamic Campaign video is unrealistic. It advises that we can "change history" by attacking Force H & other groups of capital ships, when in reality sinking these units was extremely difficult. You had to: A) Be in a position where they were sailing towards your sub, since BB's and CV's usually were faster than 20 kts B) Get close enough to avoid detection C) Calculate speed, bearing, and range on an object moving much faster than the average merchant ship. The only BB's and CV's sunk at sea by U-Boats during WWII were the following: Courageous Ark Royal Barham Eagle Block Island Avenger Audacity That comes out to little more than one heavy unit sunk per year of the war by the ENTIRE U-BOAT ARM. It's also worth noting that "Block Island", "Avenger", and "Audacity" were basically mercantile units with speeds slower than a U-Boat (15-16.5 kts) & poor protection. Plus the sinking of "Ark Royal" was a very lucky, 1-in a million shot. Hunting task forces was not feasible until the post-WWII era, when submerged speeds began to approach the speeds of surface ships. Recognizing this, the Kriegsmarine usually assigned U-Boats to sink merchant vessels alone, only attacking heavy ships under the most favorable circumstances. But hey, I suppose the all-important "casual players" need a dozen battleship scalps to make themselves feel good. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

02-07-10, 03:44 PM	#49
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	+ 1 jambecomlife Too much "battleships" opsession... and simulation should be directed to merchants and convoys, i.e. search for them... But I guess that kids that are "target group" of Ubi marketing like blasting HMS Rodney and change the history... But who are we, anyway, to complain...? __________________

02-07-10, 04:10 PM	#53
Kapitanleutnant Frogman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	so how about that drm1943typeviionly eh? hoo boy yep that sure is something __________________ Oh worse than Hitler! You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning!

02-07-10, 05:00 PM	#59
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Forget the size of the flag. I wanna know why the hell there is a bloody bus floating above the ship? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-07-10, 03:45 PM	#50
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,054 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I want to see merchants!!