SHV may be a flop because no one cares anymore - Page 5

Méo · 02-03-10, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Developers have never built the sim to be a 'true' sim based on the wealth of historical reference materials available, so there's probably little point in hoping they will any time soon.

Nevertheless, I think that vanilla SH5 will be better than vanilla SH3.

Now everything is about how much SH5 will be unfinished at release, this will be critical, a lot more than DRM/OSP, IMHO.

Onkel Neal · 02-03-10, 09:03 PM

I guess I'm just a sucker for blanket statements that don't ring true: SH3 would have been a flop. SH3 is not a simulation because you cannot turn some widget or control the #3 ngative ballast tank or you cannot take specific gravity readings of each battery. SH3 was not as good a subsim as .... ?

Mods giving a game staying power, that makes sense to me. And I can find that easy to agree with, I think you are right. But I don't know about how many people bought SH3 because of RUB or GWX. Certainly most people who bought SH3 were delighted to add mods to it.

tonschk · 02-03-10, 09:27 PM

Without a doubt ,

I am waiting the 04/03/2010 to buy my Brand New

SILENT HUNTER 5 Game

Greentimbers · 02-03-10, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

Without a doubt ,

I am waiting the 04/03/2010 to buy my Brand New

SILENT HUNTER 5 Game

Same here

Thomen · 02-04-10, 12:25 AM

As it was mentioned before, Ubi is not doing it itself any favors with its PR campaign.
I was strolling the Ubi forums and found some mentioning this:

Quote:

PLATFORM: PC
RELEASE DATE: 3/2/10
RATINGS: Rating Pending
GENRE: Action, Adventure

(Emphasis mine)

However, we can look forward to the new simulation: Imagine: Sweet 16 for the DS

http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Search.aspx?cal=cs

I just hope its another screwed up text/description.

JScones · 02-04-10, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Egan

Two points I like to make. Firstly, I think that attacking the developers because they happen to work for Ubisoft is out of order, rude and unfair. However, It is also inaccurate to lay the blame for design decisions soley at the door of the Ubisoft executives. There is a growing air of - I dont even know what you call it, protectionism? - towards the devs. Basically I dont believe they are untouchable, as seems to be suggested by various threads and posts I've seen. They are big boys and girls and I for one would like to see detailed and reasonable answers to why certain decisions were made in the development of the game. Constructive critisism can only help to make this game better. Now, As I said, lets not attack them just because they are the more presentable face of a vast and godless corporation but lets also not pretend they were making the worlds greatest and most hardcore world war two simulator before the evil suits dropped in to say 'Hey, this isnt what the kids want! where's the phat lewt at?'

Completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

At this point, 4 weeks before the game is due to be released; I have not seen anything since Sept, and I expect Ubisoft to delay sending the gold review copy, which other game publishers send 2 weeks before release, until after the game is actually out.

I've got a bad feeling about this, to quote Harrison Ford

So, still no preview copy Neal? I'm a firm believer of the old adage "Actions speak louder than words"...

martes86 · 02-04-10, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Is that not like buying, at full price, a broken car because you happen to be a mechanic?

I won't buy a broken thing that costs me a bunch of money (a car in Spain, the cheapest: 6000 euros; the average: 12000-15000 euros). But I can endure buying a game for 20 bucks, even if it turns out to be incomplete (which we don't know yet), it won't really hurt my wallet if I do it serves a purpose. You can't really compare such opposite situations.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Stock SH3 and SH4 would have been flops on their own if not for our modding community.

SH5 does have potential, but stock SH3 was not a total fail (SH4 maybe). We all bought SH3, and it was a major revolution compared to SH2. Didn't have an acompanying DC2, but it was quite enjoyable. There were no mods when it came out, and, IMO, it was a success among subsimmers as lots of people bought it, and I agree with Neal there.

Cheers

Jimbuna · 02-04-10, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

So, still no preview copy Neal? I'm a firm believer of the old adage "Actions speak louder than words"...

The silence is certainly deafening

THE_MASK · 02-04-10, 06:33 AM

Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet.
Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet.
Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet.
Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet.
Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet.
Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet.
Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet.
Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet.

TDK1044 · 02-04-10, 07:21 AM

If the Publisher has moved away from a sim to an arcade game, why would they bother giving Neal a Preview copy?

It would be like giving the Editor of Kelly Blue Book a Tonka Toy to test.

Onkel Neal · 02-04-10, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Completely agree.

So, still no preview copy Neal? I'm a firm believer of the old adage "Actions speak louder than words"...

Too late in the game to do a preview now, I'll wait for the final version and do a review. It's likely that the game will be released before I finish (I am not going to race to be first either) and so there will be a lot of user reviews posted.

I just hope the game is worth all the carping about DRM. This could be a case of don't worry about the DRM, the game isn't very good anyway.

It762 · 02-04-10, 09:35 AM

Actually during the master of orion 3 release it was similar, if not worse

The pictures look like crap and everyone was like OOOHHH MY GAWWD!
and some beta ppl who have signed a nda contract said: if it moves it looks better!

.... of course it did not

Though graphics is not everything I bought the game. Finding out plenty of glitches:

- manual combat AI unfair advantage could fire missiles even when out of range - human played could not do it

- Broken ai, sometimes it was building transports for troops .... using up all resources for transports which were useless...

- broken invasion, I think (if i remember correctly) the AI was unable to invade a planet in certain cases - a game breaker

- broken diplomacy , also here the AI was lacking..

All in all it was not the game many had hoped for. I hope that SH5 will be the exception but what goes on currently it looks like it will be a medicore uboat sim.

TDK1044 · 02-04-10, 09:44 AM

My original thought when I heard the release date for Silent Hunter 5 was that it was going to be released as an unfinished game. Big surprise there. But now I think it's even worse than that. It will be an unfinished Arcade game that has to be played online.

By the time there is an off line option for SH5, I'll be able to buy this thing for about $10 in a bargain bin. Suits me. I'm so over Ubisoft.

Letum · 02-04-10, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

This could be a case of don't worry about the DRM, the game isn't very good anyway.

In times like these, that almost sounds like optimism.

frau kaleun · 02-04-10, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

By the time there is an off line option for SH5, I'll be able to buy this thing for about $10 in a bargain bin. Suits me.

02-03-10, 09:03 PM	#62
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I guess I'm just a sucker for blanket statements that don't ring true: SH3 would have been a flop. SH3 is not a simulation because you cannot turn some widget or control the #3 ngative ballast tank or you cannot take specific gravity readings of each battery. SH3 was not as good a subsim as .... ? Mods giving a game staying power, that makes sense to me. And I can find that easy to agree with, I think you are right. But I don't know about how many people bought SH3 because of RUB or GWX. Certainly most people who bought SH3 were delighted to add mods to it. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

02-03-10, 09:27 PM	#63
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Without a doubt , I am waiting the 04/03/2010 to buy my Brand New SILENT HUNTER 5 Game __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

02-04-10, 06:33 AM	#69
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet. Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet. Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet. Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet. Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet. Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet. Dan: can we give Neal a copy of SH5 yet. Ubi : no , the servers are not up yet.

02-04-10, 07:21 AM	#70
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	If the Publisher has moved away from a sim to an arcade game, why would they bother giving Neal a Preview copy? It would be like giving the Editor of Kelly Blue Book a Tonka Toy to test.

02-04-10, 09:35 AM	#72
It762 Gunner Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Actually during the master of orion 3 release it was similar, if not worse The pictures look like crap and everyone was like OOOHHH MY GAWWD! and some beta ppl who have signed a nda contract said: if it moves it looks better! .... of course it did not Though graphics is not everything I bought the game. Finding out plenty of glitches: - manual combat AI unfair advantage could fire missiles even when out of range - human played could not do it - Broken ai, sometimes it was building transports for troops .... using up all resources for transports which were useless... - broken invasion, I think (if i remember correctly) the AI was unable to invade a planet in certain cases - a game breaker - broken diplomacy , also here the AI was lacking.. All in all it was not the game many had hoped for. I hope that SH5 will be the exception but what goes on currently it looks like it will be a medicore uboat sim.

02-04-10, 09:44 AM	#73
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	My original thought when I heard the release date for Silent Hunter 5 was that it was going to be released as an unfinished game. Big surprise there. But now I think it's even worse than that. It will be an unfinished Arcade game that has to be played online. By the time there is an off line option for SH5, I'll be able to buy this thing for about $10 in a bargain bin. Suits me. I'm so over Ubisoft.