@ Members who posted in the thread about brigging the General

Platapus · 02-02-10, 03:18 PM

Three items I would like to offer up for consideration:

1. Forum moderators should be identified as being moderators. That would have mitigated some of the misunderstandings.

2. Also forum moderators, because of their authority here, should be held to a higher standard concerning wording of their "official" posts.

3. Also, because moderators are also forum members, it is incumbent on them to make it very clear when they are posting an opinion as a forum member and when they are exercising their authority as agents of website owner.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-02-10, 03:24 PM

Have a bunch of Euro, Asia and Aussie Moderators for watching this space 24/7/365

Dowly · 02-02-10, 03:33 PM

*The empty corridors echo 'Attica.... Attica.... Attica....*

Hmm... I'm pretty sure this door should be locked shut.

*runs out of the brig screaming something illegible*

The Enigma · 02-02-10, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Three items I would like to offer up for consideration:

3. Also, because moderators are also forum members, it is incumbent on them to make it very clear when they are posting an opinion as a forum member and when they are exercising their authority as agents of website owner.

You could also solve this by allowing mods to have 2 accounts.
One as a regular member and one as a mod.

It depends on the forum software (or settings) if this allowed or not.

Letum · 02-02-10, 03:34 PM

RE: two accounts: less transparency can not be a good thing.

Ensuring there are mods at most time zones and some kind of public code
of practice for mods might not be a bad idea. I have seen it work well
elsewhere.

All that said, there isn't really any serious problem with how Subsim is
moderated at the moment and if it ain't broke...

McBeck · 02-02-10, 03:40 PM

Just read both threads and cant help but chuckle....

"In before lock" - priceless

AVGWarhawk · 02-02-10, 03:42 PM

Hows the old PM box looking Hitman?

You realize now that you have been discovered and there will be forever a scarlet M on you sig!

The Enigma · 02-02-10, 03:42 PM

Indeed that will be confusing if it isn't clear that these 2 accounts were one person.

Moderator-Killroy and Killroy, 2 names belonging together.
This method could avoid such confusion.

But I agree, this place is modded fine. It's a great place to be.
We all are mods. We can mod our own behavior and messages.
How about that?

SteamWake · 02-02-10, 03:55 PM

Oh brother whats with all this drama? The place is moderated fine.

"Higher standard"... pfffft

Hell most mods at other sites dont post at all for fear of saying something they may regret and devolve to the dreaded 'ban hammer'

I would hate to see that here.

onelifecrisis · 02-02-10, 05:09 PM

I resisted posting in the thread, in respect of Hitman's "request".
I'd like a gold star please.

John Channing · 02-02-10, 06:10 PM

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While the atmosphere was fine until a month ago, the latest news have turned it into a boiling pot of frustration.

See... I'm gonna take issue with that, only because it's what a lot of people are saying.

If this forum has indeed turned into "a boiling pot of frustration" it is most definitely not because of any "latest news" or Ubisoft, or Dan and his Team, or a full moon or eating too many twinkies.

If this forum is "a boiling pot of frustration" it is because the members here made it that way. The forum doesn't write it's own posts, the members do. And don't look around at the guy next to you, I'm talking to all of you.

The outrage about Type VIIs and 1943, the endless DRM threads, the fake screeshots (which, btw, if I was Dan I would be insulted over)... all of it did not create itself... the people here did. You people.

So don't blame (or empower) other people or organizations by attributing your responses to their actions. If it's a mess, we created it.

"And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

JCC

SteamWake · 02-02-10, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I resisted posting in the thread, in respect of Hitman's "request".
I'd like a gold star please.

+1

Nisgeis · 02-02-10, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh brother whats with all this drama? The place is moderated fine.

I agree 100%

Reaves · 02-02-10, 09:36 PM

A little controversy is healthy! Members here are legitimately upset about certain decisions in regards to SH5 and they have every right to voice their opinions.

I don't mind about only on class of U-boat as that allowed the full sub to be modeled. Something that has been requested since I started reading this forum.

1943 end - Easily fixed with mods.

New DRM -

Although we get duplicates and people get carried away, it is all part of a healthy community. C'mon.. I've been a member here for a few releases of SH games plus seen countless other titles at other forums. THIS HAPPENS EVERYTIME!!! I'm sure people will shout boycott for the new AVP game i've pre-ordered as well.

Remember folks, this is not Google China, this is sumsim.com.

or is it Sparta? Now i'm confused.

Steeltrap · 02-02-10, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

Three items I would like to offer up for consideration:

1. Forum moderators should be identified as being moderators. That would have mitigated some of the misunderstandings.

2. Also forum moderators, because of their authority here, should be held to a higher standard concerning wording of their "official" posts.

3. Also, because moderators are also forum members, it is incumbent on them to make it very clear when they are posting an opinion as a forum member and when they are exercising their authority as agents of website owner.

All good suggestions IMO.

It's not always clear who's a mod and which 'hat' they're wearing when posting.

As for having moderators in multiple 'theatres', that's clearly a matter for Neal. I imagine he doesn't want too many, and it would obviously be by invitation only.

Alternatively, we could all be mods. Could the last person sent to the brig please turn off the lights in the main forum?

02-02-10, 03:18 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Three items I would like to offer up for consideration: 1. Forum moderators should be identified as being moderators. That would have mitigated some of the misunderstandings. 2. Also forum moderators, because of their authority here, should be held to a higher standard concerning wording of their "official" posts. 3. Also, because moderators are also forum members, it is incumbent on them to make it very clear when they are posting an opinion as a forum member and when they are exercising their authority as agents of website owner. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-02-10, 03:24 PM	#2
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Have a bunch of Euro, Asia and Aussie Moderators for watching this space 24/7/365 __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-02-10, 03:34 PM	#5
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	RE: two accounts: less transparency can not be a good thing. Ensuring there are mods at most time zones and some kind of public code of practice for mods might not be a bad idea. I have seen it work well elsewhere. All that said, there isn't really any serious problem with how Subsim is moderated at the moment and if it ain't broke... __________________

02-02-10, 03:40 PM	#6
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Just read both threads and cant help but chuckle.... "In before lock" - priceless __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

02-02-10, 03:42 PM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Hows the old PM box looking Hitman? You realize now that you have been discovered and there will be forever a scarlet M on you sig! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-02-10, 03:33 PM	#3
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The empty corridors echo 'Attica.... Attica.... Attica.... Hmm... I'm pretty sure this door should be locked shut. runs out of the brig screaming something illegible

02-02-10, 03:42 PM	#8
The Enigma Seer of visions Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Under the surface Posts: 2,315 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Indeed that will be confusing if it isn't clear that these 2 accounts were one person. Moderator-Killroy and Killroy, 2 names belonging together. This method could avoid such confusion. But I agree, this place is modded fine. It's a great place to be. We all are mods. We can mod our own behavior and messages. How about that? __________________

02-02-10, 03:55 PM	#9
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Oh brother whats with all this drama? The place is moderated fine. "Higher standard"... pfffft Hell most mods at other sites dont post at all for fear of saying something they may regret and devolve to the dreaded 'ban hammer' I would hate to see that here. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

02-02-10, 05:09 PM	#10
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I resisted posting in the thread, in respect of Hitman's "request". I'd like a gold star please. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

02-02-10, 09:36 PM	#14
Reaves The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,509 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	A little controversy is healthy! Members here are legitimately upset about certain decisions in regards to SH5 and they have every right to voice their opinions. I don't mind about only on class of U-boat as that allowed the full sub to be modeled. Something that has been requested since I started reading this forum. 1943 end - Easily fixed with mods. New DRM - Although we get duplicates and people get carried away, it is all part of a healthy community. C'mon.. I've been a member here for a few releases of SH games plus seen countless other titles at other forums. THIS HAPPENS EVERYTIME!!! I'm sure people will shout boycott for the new AVP game i've pre-ordered as well. Remember folks, this is not Google China, this is sumsim.com. or is it Sparta? Now i'm confused. __________________