U848 under attack (photos)

02-01-10, 09:42 AM

To die in a war always means to die for nothing... war ist the biggest stupidity that has ever evolved...
hmm... what does this means for us, playing war...

The Germans had very little choice about being a soldier or not. Only some special boys didn't have to go, like a farmers firstborn. The only choice was, what your uniform would be and sometimes this choice wasn't even given.
It's stated that the SS was a all-volunteers institution. Well, most volunteered and some were volunteered (1/4... if that's "some").
Even the "Freikorps Dönitz" wasn't a all-volunteers show in the end.
I am a German too and such remarks like "You had your Adolf and this means you're always responsible" make my stomach churn. After the signing of the Versailles Treaty even Clemencau (for not-historical people the by-then French Prime Minister) acknowledged that another war was inevitable. Hitler could only rouse the people enough for breaking hell loose again. If it wouldn't have been Hitler another one would have arisen in time to release the fury.
So please cut this crap!

Fido · 02-06-10, 05:42 PM

Not sure why, maybe because it involved a PB4Y, but these photos made me think of the Laconia Incident in which the U-156 nearly suffered the same fate while Red Cross flags were draped over her decks, with men, women and children crammed inside her hull, on her upper deck, and a further 200 survivors in tow aboard four lifeboats. She was also attacked by a PB4Y. The terror this people must have suffered is almost unimaginable, especially after seeing these pictures.

P.S.
The action of Captain Robert C. Richardson III (who ordered the attack) was considered by many as a war crime, although no formal charges were ever placed. As a result of this incident, Admiral Donitz issued an order forbidding U-boats from attempting any rescues and furthermore, from providing any assistance whatsoever to survivors of submarine attacks. He was quoted to say "no attempt of any kind must be made to rescue the crews of ships sunk". This order became to be known as the "Laconia Order".

Fido

ryanglavin · 02-06-10, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmuno

To die in a war always means to die for nothing... war ist the biggest stupidity that has ever evolved...
hmm... what does this means for us, playing war...

The Germans had very little choice about being a soldier or not. Only some special boys didn't have to go, like a farmers firstborn. The only choice was, what your uniform would be and sometimes this choice wasn't even given.
It's stated that the SS was a all-volunteers institution. Well, most volunteered and some were volunteered (1/4... if that's "some").
Even the "Freikorps Dönitz" wasn't a all-volunteers show in the end.
I am a German too and such remarks like "You had your Adolf and this means you're always responsible" make my stomach churn. After the signing of the Versailles Treaty even Clemencau (for not-historical people the by-then French Prime Minister) acknowledged that another war was inevitable. Hitler could only rouse the people enough for breaking hell loose again. If it wouldn't have been Hitler another one would have arisen in time to release the fury.
So please cut this crap!

We can't forget that without war, you can't have peace. Without somethings negative, it won't happen.
IMO, there will always be war as long as people are different from one another.
And we can't blame the Germans for WW2, blame the assassin in 1914.
Without him, both wars wouldn't have happened. But out of the wars, we got radar and microwaves. I'm german also, and it really annoys me when they blame the germans for everything. 10% german, 50% macedonian, and an assortment of others

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Frank0001 · 02-07-10, 03:18 PM

It's stupid to blame 'the Germans' for anything, they've given us so much more;

- BMW and Volkswagen
- The góód beer
- Tokio Hotel

No it's useless pointing fingers after 65 years.

Schroeder · 02-07-10, 03:35 PM

Can it be that there is a misunderstanding in the word pathetic? The German Pathetisch is not equal to the English pathetic. Pathetic means something like pitiful, unworthy etc.

I don't find the pictures pathetic. They are a witness of what war is. It's never nice to see people die, but let's face it: That is war. To hide those aspects would be to betray oneself.
This is a U-Boat game forum so I think those pictures can be shown here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank001

- Tokio Hotel

O.K. now you really managed to make me feel ashamed being German....

Actually Tokio Hotel is a nice example of the word pathetic!

java`s revenge · 02-07-10, 04:30 PM

But why didn`t crashdived that u-boat??

Frank0001 · 02-08-10, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

O.K. now you really managed to make me feel ashamed being German....

Actually Tokio Hotel is a nice example of the word pathetic!

But they did menage to put Germany on the map (again)!

Pistitom · 02-08-10, 10:30 AM

I think the most pathetic thing ( the only ) about a war is the reason it's being fought. However inevitable it may seem...No nation can be blamed, just the leaders.
And instead of Tokyo Hotel I'd say Rammstein

02-06-10, 05:42 PM	#2
Fido Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nederland Posts: 60 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Not sure why, maybe because it involved a PB4Y, but these photos made me think of the Laconia Incident in which the U-156 nearly suffered the same fate while Red Cross flags were draped over her decks, with men, women and children crammed inside her hull, on her upper deck, and a further 200 survivors in tow aboard four lifeboats. She was also attacked by a PB4Y. The terror this people must have suffered is almost unimaginable, especially after seeing these pictures. P.S. The action of Captain Robert C. Richardson III (who ordered the attack) was considered by many as a war crime, although no formal charges were ever placed. As a result of this incident, Admiral Donitz issued an order forbidding U-boats from attempting any rescues and furthermore, from providing any assistance whatsoever to survivors of submarine attacks. He was quoted to say "no attempt of any kind must be made to rescue the crews of ships sunk". This order became to be known as the "*Laconia Order". Fido __________________ He is no fool, who gives what he can not keep, to gain what he must not lose. Last edited by Fido; 02-06-10 at 06:04 PM.*

02-07-10, 03:18 PM	#4
Frank0001 Chief Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 317 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	It's stupid to blame 'the Germans' for anything, they've given us so much more; - BMW and Volkswagen - The góód beer - Tokio Hotel No it's useless pointing fingers after 65 years. __________________ Snipers of the Seas One eel - one Kill

02-07-10, 04:30 PM	#6
java`s revenge Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: at periscope depth Posts: 1,204 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 0	But why didn`t crashdived that u-boat?? __________________

02-01-10, 09:42 AM	#1
gmuno Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	To die in a war always means to die for nothing... war ist the biggest stupidity that has ever evolved... hmm... what does this means for us, playing war... The Germans had very little choice about being a soldier or not. Only some special boys didn't have to go, like a farmers firstborn. The only choice was, what your uniform would be and sometimes this choice wasn't even given. It's stated that the SS was a all-volunteers institution. Well, most volunteered and some were volunteered (1/4... if that's "some"). Even the "Freikorps Dönitz" wasn't a all-volunteers show in the end. I am a German too and such remarks like "You had your Adolf and this means you're always responsible" make my stomach churn. After the signing of the Versailles Treaty even Clemencau (for not-historical people the by-then French Prime Minister) acknowledged that another war was inevitable. Hitler could only rouse the people enough for breaking hell loose again. If it wouldn't have been Hitler another one would have arisen in time to release the fury. So please cut this crap!

02-08-10, 10:30 AM	#8
Pistitom A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Budapest Posts: 78 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	I think the most pathetic thing ( the only ) about a war is the reason it's being fought. However inevitable it may seem...No nation can be blamed, just the leaders. And instead of Tokyo Hotel I'd say Rammstein