Why you are going to buy SH5 anyway

[Turbografx]

@Vanagen:

You assume this is a need, it is not. It is a want, a hobby. A disappointing loss but one I can easily live without.

[JU_88]

Well for me, You're preaching to the converted
I was going to buy SHV from the moment I knew it existed.
and nothing changed there either.

[HundertzehnGustav]

People tend to bitch and indeed give in eventually, even if they have a choice.

i dont give in....
what i want, is an offline game, what ever the cost. even an extra 10 bucks.

i never said i wasnt interested or would not get SHV. in fact i am VERY interested.

Offline. Off the chain. Off the Hook. Free.

[Vanagen]

Well, take a pledge, then. On your honour. That you won't buy this game unless they remove all DRM.

Or maybe you prefer that they remove the online requirement and add StarForce?

Either way, I'll buy the game. Even with both forms of DRM. Even if they force me to play it naked with a carrot shoved up my, uh, ear. (I was going to do that anyway)



The thing is, in two months time, when everyone is playing the game and the forums here are full of people talking about their actual experiences in-game, good or bad, will you simply sit by and say: no, I'm still not buying it out of principle?

If so, as I've said three times before already, I'll take a few moments time to applaud you and tip my hat at you, then return to my boat and taste the soup.

[MercurySeven]

Maybe there should be a thread for this. Every week the hardliners write a short "Yupp, no purchase so far" and we can monitor how well the thing holds out. Sort of like stop smoking together.

As for me: Easy to make that pledge. With current info on DRM SH5 simply wont work on my PC so buying it would be similar to taking 50 bucks out of my bank account and burning it just for the fun of it.

But I'll closely monitor the whole thing. Hopefully a few months after release the whole Online-At-All-Times thing will be dealt with in a patch (which at the same time removes some bugs that have bitten everybodys ass so far) and then I'll happily buy.

Doing so will then of course not send a signal that this sort of DRM is evil per se to UBI, but hopefully it will contribute to UBI releasing similar patches for their other future games in a similar manner. As long as a few months down the road such ludicrous obligations get patched out in the games I am grown up enough to just sit back, read a book and wait for the "second release".

[Nickolas]

Originally Posted by Vanagen

Actually, the uproar only confirms how badly you want to buy it.

Yes, we want to enjoy the game, but that doesn't mean we will buy it. We are NOT a bunch of winning eleven junkies.

Originally Posted by Vanagen

Allow me to reiterate why you are going to buy SH5 anyway.

no, i'm not...

Originally Posted by Vanagen

1. Silent Hunter V is going to be an awesome next-gen subsim. Also, it's going to be the only next-gen sub game. Heck, chances are this will be the last big budget subsim for a long, long time. Even if it isn't realistic enough to your likings out of the box, it'll be an awesome base for GWX type mods to build upon.

probably true, and even more if its a flop... (drm, coff coff)

Originally Posted by Vanagen

2. Deep down, you realise that the online "DRM" is necessary and that it truly is the only feasible way commercial PC games can survive in a market saturated with piracy.

please don't project your DRM-love on us...
there are many ways to fight piracy, and shoving stuff down the buyer's throat isn't the best one.

Originally Posted by Vanagen

3. As much as you think that this forum is making a difference, it isn't. You are the hardest core, sure, but Ubisoft caters to a much bigger crowd, even with this game. You're a vocal minority at best and you will be swayed into buying the game anyway, simply because there is no alternative.

and... where does "the forum making a difference" to ubi affects cash spilling out of my wallet?
This is not about a dumb boycott, this is about personal choice, if John Doe buys it thats HIS problem, not mine. I still wont buy it.

Originally Posted by Vanagen

I'm not saying that you are weak. I'm only saying that, as consumers, the laws of supply and demand simply dictate that you will indeed satisfy your needs with this game.

Of course not... we aren't weak, we just arent strong enough. Wait... what?

Also, the laws of supply and demand don't say a specific person will buy it. actually, the laws of supply and demand only show that if ubisoft counted all of our heads before starting to make the CDs they'll end up with a surplus of at least one (mine).

to sum it up...
if YOU want to buy it great for you, i hope you have a blast with it. But just because you have a little envelope that is labeled "SH V money" doesn't mean we will buy it, at least not in it's current state.

[Mud]

I for one have a tight budged, wife, kids, house etc.
SH5 for me means I have to invest in a new PC, I have still my 5 year old P4.
The games I play are mostly older ones from the budged box which I still enjoy.
So it cost me about 800 euros to play SH5, the way SH5 is going I'm gonna pass on that one and hold the money in my pocket.
As I've read in an other thread then I'm probably not a true subsimmer, well so be it.

Mud

[conus00]

I will not buy it. Regardless what you say and regardless how much I like german sub simulators. For simple reason: I have a freedom of choice. If I do not like what is being sold, and what it imposes on me,I will not shell out my hard earned money.

As somebody stated before: playing games is a my hobby NOT my life.
After all SHV is just a GAME.

I managed to get through life before SHV release, and guess what, I will manage after it too...

IMO Your original post is pretty immature, you can not assume to know what is going in other people's heads, so you are not entitled to speak for them.
I want to believe that you didn't mean any offense by it, so none taken.

[GREY WOLF 3]

Originally Posted by IanC

[Vanagen]

Originally Posted by Nickolas

to sum it up...
if YOU want to buy it great for you, i hope you have a blast with it. But just because you have a little envelope that is labeled "SH V money" doesn't mean we will buy it, at least not in it's current state.

Thanks, I'm sure I will have a blast with it!

I'm actually already letting my beard grow in preparation.



How about we stop getting our panties in a bunch and check back in two months, see who's actually bought the game and who hasn't?

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by Vanagen

I'm still not buying it out of principle?

The moment i can go, buy the package (game, license, data...) and play it without Ubisoft requiring me to be hooked up to the net, i will.

Its not going to take long. Not at all - i hope.

Principles are stronger than my addiction.

*sits at 220meters, listening to depth charges all around*

[theluckyone17]

Originally Posted by Vanagen

You're upset about the DRM. I know. We all are. I bet Ubisoft is pretty upset about it too.

Unless Ubisoft somehow failed to predict this level of backlash (I find this hard to believe), they're probably not upset. The Dev's? Yes. The Suits at Ubisoft? Nope.

That said, Ubisoft knows that, in spite of the uproar, you will buy their game. Actually, the uproar only confirms how badly you want to buy it. Any concession at all on their part will be seen as a gift from heaven.

Heh. Not at all. There's SH3, SH4, and Danger From the Deep. Yes, I want SH5. Is it worth dealing with OSP? No. If Ubisoft opts to remove OSP, then I'll be happier. If the mod tools prove to be as good as promised, I'll be even happier. If Ubisoft manages to open source SH5 in a year, that will be a gift from heaven.

And whether you realise it or not, the only time Ubisoft will start to worry about customers is when you stop bitching. That's when you've lost interest in their product.

They'll start worrying when their wallets are empty, regardless of how much we complain.

Allow me to reiterate why you are going to buy SH5 anyway.

I will not do anything of the sort.

1. Silent Hunter V is going to be an awesome next-gen subsim. Also, it's going to be the only next-gen sub game. Heck, chances are this will be the last big budget subsim for a long, long time. Even if it isn't realistic enough to your likings out of the box, it'll be an awesome base for GWX type mods to build upon.

As long as OSP is a component, I'm not touching it. It could make my bed, wash my dishes, and cook supper for me, too, and I still wouldn't buy it. I don't trust Ubisoft, I don't like the concept of OSP, and I will not suffer it, regardless of the benefits.

2. Deep down, you realise that the online "DRM" is necessary and that it truly is the only feasible way commercial PC games can survive in a market saturated with piracy.

Is that why Galactic Civilizations 2 was such as success, despite it's lack of DRM? Is that why there are reports stating that the media being shared on P2P networks is mostly DRM'd media, while the DRM-free stuff isn't being shared? Let's see... another media form, the ebook: O'Reilly sees a 104% increase in sales after they drop their DRM. Is DRM/OSP necessary? Doesn't look like it to me.

3. As much as you think that this forum is making a difference, it isn't. You are the hardest core, sure, but Ubisoft caters to a much bigger crowd, even with this game. You're a vocal minority at best and you will be swayed into buying the game anyway, simply because there is no alternative.

Belittle me and my voice. I will speak up, I will speak out, and I will not be silenced. There is an alternative, and that is continuing to speak out until Ubisoft removes OSP from its products.

I'm not saying that you are weak. I'm only saying that, as consumers, the laws of supply and demand simply dictate that you will indeed satisfy your needs with this game.

You imply that because Ubisoft is supplying, we as consumers must use their product to fill our "need". It's not a need, it's a want. And we can fill that want with SH3, SH4, and Danger from the Deep. Ubisoft may think they're the only company with the only game in town, but they're wrong. Furthermore, as consumers, we drive the market. We create demand. Not Ubisoft. If Ubisoft cannot fulfill that demand, then someone else will.

Remember the Modern Warfare 2 boycott?

I place more faith in the SH5 community to be steadfast than an FPS community. We tend towards fanaticism, whereas the FPS community seem to be afflicted with ADHD. We're devoted to our sims... the FPS community, not so much.

So who am I siding with?

You?

Ubisoft?



No one, really. You both have valid arguments.

When all is said and done, though, this is still the current state of affairs. PC gaming has evolved tremendously in the past years. And if it doesn't keep on adapting, it will die out entirely, and everyone who wants to game on his PC will be playing oldies or subscribe to World of Warcraft.

I know that asking you not to "live in the past" is ironic considering the subject matter of the Silent Hunter series, although it is exactly what you must do.

The choice is yours.

Not all evolution or adaptation proves to be useful. It holds true in biology, and holds true in the computer industry. PC Gaming will not die out entirely. It cannot. If Ubisoft cannot provide a sub sim, then some other company will. If another company will not, then we will do it ourselves (DftD).

I will not stand for OSP, and I will not succumb. If no one else does the same, so be it.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by theluckyone17

I will not stand for OSP, and I will not succumb. If no one else does the same, so be it.

^Amen.

[ryanglavin]

Just throwing my 2 cents in to everyone whos doesn't buy SH 5 because of the DRM:

Anyone remember starforce? Lets not go back there.

[Letum]

The number of canceled pre-orders speaks volumes.