Will the DRM affect your Purchase?

[darkforcenl]

They will loose a lot of customers with this DRM .....t. I'l hope they think about it!(They will check more on your pc than only SH5!!!!!!).
And online savegame is a very BAD thing, players need to have a choice to save online or local.

I will not buy the game if there will be DRM.

[Jonin]

It's UBI, they do this every time, what did you expect? Just wait until they remove it.

[Nimmo55]

No...I've decided not to get this game....I'll wait and see:

a) if it is realistic enough for my tastes...and ensure they have not dumbed it down for the sake of a wider audience, and..

b) I will make a stand with this internet connection required...seems wrong when I have PURCHASED the game....

Never mind...I'll be consolled by all the other great titles about to come out....

Nimmo55

[Der Teddy Bar]

It does not matter how reliable the Ubisoft online authentication is, indirectly the always online requirement will stop me from playing at the times I want.

I live in Australia, 20 minutes outside Canberra, our national capital. But when it came to getting an internet connection that meant little.

I had the choice of 1 ISP and the connection was wireless as the telephone lines were pair gain i.e. where the telco overloads the copper with services in lieu of actually installing adequate infrastructure which our national telco Telecom is infamous for.

Here I was having just arrived in our nations capital, all be it just outside, and I had to wait 7 weeks to get my internet connection.

7 weeks later all keen to surf the net and catch up on the world as I know it, but the very next day there is a slight issue. The internet is not available till 08.30 and this happens the next day and the next where the connection was only available starting from 07.30 to 09.00. Upon following this up with my ISP I find that the wireless towers do not have enough battery capacity to cope with the winter overcast days. This took 9 months to be rectified.

I was to find out that this was the least of my problems with this ISP.

There were regular outages of 1-4 hours every 2-4 days and 4-12 hours every 2-3 weeks. The longest outage we had was 3 days. The network was so overloaded the 1500k connection would often be sub 400k.

As bad as this ISP was if it was not for this community oriented ISP I would have had to use a 56k dial service. Remember this is in Australia and a mere 20 minutes outside out national capital.


What of my saved games on Ubisofts server? As noted above my ISP is flakier than a concussed blonde. Will I loose several hours of play because my ISP had yet another glitch and stopped me uploading the saved game or cut it off 1/2 way through?


What of having a internet connection? My wife was a Customs Detector Dog handler and as such we moved a bit in 3 years. During this time, not counting the extreme 7 weeks above, I was waiting for a broadband connection for a total of 21 weeks or 5.1 months!


Ubisoft will add salt to the wound that when I so not have a internet connection by not allowing me to play a game I purchased.


The myth of Piracy and its impact is an excuse companies like Ubisoft cling to so they can explain away why their sales are not what they expect or promised on that AAA title. It stops those ugly questions of why did you release such a poorly designed and/or buggy game, why is the game lacking any depth and fails to deliver on the marketing. Why is have you not fixed the design flaws and other problems from SH3 in SH4. Why is this full priced game nothing more than a minor expansion pack?

Start looking after your customers by firstly not punishing them with DRM that does nothing to reduce piracy and only hurts legitimate customers and start delivering quality products and supporting a game past the cursory 3-4 patches.


I would also like to add that game reviews need to be better. I loved SH3 but there is no way that even after the super mods that it is a 100/100 game as was the score Subsim gave the original release. It is my view that this leads to stagnation of the franchise as why would Ubi spend money fixing up the poor AI, the Tiger Tank U-boat (trade mark pending) etc when the game is already 100/100?




Always online? Thanks but no thanks.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

I live in Australia, 20 minutes outside Canberra, our national capital. But when it came to getting an internet connection that meant little.

I had the choice of 1 ISP and the connection was wireless as the telephone lines were pair gain i.e. where the telco overloads the copper with services in lieu of actually installing adequate infrastructure which our national telco Telecom is infamous for.

I've been here for four years - if you get a chance, check out internode.on.net. Reliable ADSL speed - always 1500/256 and prolly only a handful of dropouts in the last three years.

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

My wife was a Customs Detector Dog handler and as such we moved a bit in 3 years.

Hey, snap - my wife used to be a "drug carrier" for dog training. She would have transferred to the doggies too had they not moved out of the territory.

[Payoff]

Voted: Not going to at all now

I would love to buy SH5 to at least support the franchise, but this is just too much. I wont "buy" any simulator that forces me to play online.
I'm out.



Payoff

[John W. Hamm]

This is from SH5's Facebook page, everyone seemed to be singing high praises for UBI until I posted wonder what happened?

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January 25 at 11:48am · Comment Share · Report

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Gautham Venugopalan cant wait!!!!

January 25 at 11:51am · Report



Aj Foraker awesome!

January 25 at 11:52am · Report



Spyros Damikoukas yeaaahhhhhhhhh 1 month!!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 25 at 11:52am · Report



Björn Withmar Nilsson **** YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 25 at 11:54am · Report



Joco Schumi im going to sleep, please wake me up March 4th 2010

January 25 at 11:58am · Report



Konrad Sztafa mmmm, tasty.

January 25 at 12:08pm · Report



James Campeau Christmas in March!!

January 25 at 12:15pm · Report



Simone Lazzari going to book it

January 25 at 12:22pm · Report



Misterioso Enmascarado Do you know about any good deal for European pre-orders?

January 25 at 12:23pm · Report



Víctor Español OMG!! 4th march is here!!!

January 25 at 12:41pm · Report



Lars Bundgaard Sørensen Can't wait till SH5 is out with an add on in a collector gold edition for a bargain... ;-) I want my IX boats!!!

January 25 at 2:23pm · Report



Matt Smith **** yes!!!

January 25 at 3:03pm · Report



Alex Koprivnjak there are no IX boats, only Type VII!

January 25 at 3:10pm · Report



Peter Anastassiou That's a good new!!! Will SH5 be supported by wide screen view such as MATROX TripleHead2go???

January 25 at 3:54pm · Report



David Friedman No recognition manual = no manual targeting?

January 25 at 8:21pm · Report



Timor Dvir Does anybody knows is it possible to pre-order the collector's edition? or where will it be available to purchase on the net?

Tue at 3:41pm · Report



Thisismyname Scott DRM, no thanks, I'll pass.

Wed at 1:19pm · Report



Saruwatari Kaito love this! but I believe SH5 will be hacked within hours of it being released so what is the point of the restrictive DRM systems.

Wed at 2:23pm · Report



Norman A Nielander DRM? only type VII's? mmmm not looking good ubi soft. well done..like we realy wanted a game that's awkward and only half of the previous titles.

Wed at 2:28pm · Report



John Hamm According to the SubSim forums 83% + have opted not to buy this game! do to DRM I am certainly one of them I canceled my Pre-order along with many, many others, and I agree SHV will be hacked very soon as all games are...thanks UBI for alienating your core fans!!

Wed at 3:46pm ·



John Hamm I also notice that many of the negative post's that were on here about DRM and people not buying the game have been deleted......I guess they got tired of doing that though.

Wed at 3:49pm ·



Todd Woolever What is DRM?


Wed at 4:12pm · Report



John Hamm Digital Rights Management in most cases are okay, But in this case in order to play your offline single player game you will have to have a constant internet connection to play SH5 if you don't have one you will not be playing the game! despite the fact that it is a single player off line game....not to mention all of your game saves will be saved... See More ... See Moreon UBI servers...Now a good thing is you can DL the game to as many PC as you want (i don't know about you but I only have 2 and only is used for gaming...so I don't need to be able to put the game on 10000 computers.

Wed at 5:34pm ·



John Hamm I stand corrected there is to be do DRM We have OPS instead

Nope you heard it right no more DRM
UBI has has decided do to an out cry from the gaming community's it will go into Operation BS (Bait and Switch! AKA Bull ****)
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UBI Will discontinue DRM and move into using the more hip initials of OPS

and what does OPS do???? The same damn thing!

I honestly feel as though my intelligence has really been insulted.

Wed at 7:08pm ·



Todd Woolever well I just spent some time reading about DRM and I will cancel my pre-order. I still play SH3. and now I don't have to upgrade any hardware. Thank you UBI......

Yesterday at 12:47am · Report



Lise Og Truls Kvernhusvik The DRM / OPS put me right off buying the game. It's a shame.

Yesterday at 10:56am · Report



Saruwatari Kaito i've cancelled my pre-order until UBISOFT revert back to something less restrictive, damn I want this sim so UBISOFT do the right thing.

Yesterday at 4:24pm · Report



Claudio Luis Cofini DRM Kick me! I dont buy SHV because I cant play with that crap! Bye bye UBI!!!

15 hours ago · Report



Tim Renken DRM works great. I play 4 games that use it. Have you any experience with it?

5 hours ago · Report



Simon Mallett I too have cancelled my pre order, will not buy it now unless I can play off line as i do with all my other Silent Hunters

3 hours ago · Report



Alex Tsilogiannis I agree, it is a hastle to have to use DRM EVERYTIME i want to play.
so if my internet is down - what, i CANT PLAY THE GAME??
forget that others do it, but why jeopardize game sales by trying to prohibit pirate copies?
there will ALWAYS be pirate copies, so even if you cut pirated copies by 20%, you've also lowered your game sales by 30%
just listen to your customers that are MOSTLY against the DRM, myself included

2 hours ago · Report

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by John W. Hamm

This is from SH5's Facebook page, everyone seemed to be singing high praises for UBI until I posted wonder what happened?

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.....snippage......

The mood swing is very interesting. But, imo, I would remove the facebook links to the individual FB user pages.

Other than that..

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by Thomen

The mood swing is very interesting. But, imo, I would remove the facebook links to the individual FB user pages.

Other than that..

I would but they each as i do have the ability to lock their page if they don't want anyone to see it (very well known tool in FB) and what they said they posted in a public forum already however i did remove all pictures.

[JScones]

I'm surprised John's posts are still there! Not surprised about trenkin's post though.

[prowler3]

I will NOT purchase SHV with the current DRM. I remember Starforce...don't you? I will not allow my computer to have to be conected to somebody's server, to allow me to play a game I legally purchased, EVER. This is a huge security risk, as well as a ridiculous requirement.

I can save my games on MY disks, thank you (that's a lame excuse they gave).

I guess I just saved some money. No wonder I'm going to console games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THE_MASK]

Why is this poll closing on the 2/2/2010 ?

[SubV]

I'm not buying this unless they decide to remove an online DRM.

Period.

[John W. Hamm]

Originally Posted by JScones

I'm surprised John's posts are still there! Not surprised about trenkin's post though.

LOL I'm surprised as well ...though like I said all of their comments were made in public forums to begin with.


BTW the pole as of this posting is showing 89.25% against ....if my math is correct.

[Hitman]

The myth of Piracy and its impact is an excuse companies like Ubisoft cling to so they can explain away why their sales are not what they expect or promised on that AAA title. It stops those ugly questions of why did you release such a poorly designed and/or buggy game, why is the game lacking any depth and fails to deliver on the marketing. Why is have you not fixed the design flaws and other problems from SH3 in SH4. Why is this full priced game nothing more than a minor expansion pack?

Very good points TB!!

Wonder were they will put their excuses when they realize the failiure of this system. If SH5 with this DRM gets more sales than SH3, that will be due to wider marketing, not due to less pirates. And I bet that, with most modders walking away from it, the long term sales won't be by far as productive as SH3/4.

BTW:

10:08 Am GMT+1 and UBI has lost already 38.200$ in SH5 sales

And what's more important, the % of potential customers angry with this all and not willing to purchase with this copy system has grown already to 89.25%