All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[cherbert]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Not here to start a fight but Cherbert, your post reminds me of people who just hate to fight for anything at all, so are willing to take whatever someone sends your way, even if it violates your rights.

Most of us are upset about DRM and are making noise with legitimate arguments to stop this crap being shoved down our throats by UBI.Ever hear the give an inch, they will take a mile? Well this is true in many things in life an absolutely true here.Say we all just stop the so called "whining", bent over and took this with a smile, well UBI would say okay they like it and everything they make will be DRM.

Even though I prefer fleetboats I planned to purchase SH 5, give it a try and support the franchise, so UBI has incentive to make a SH 6 and take us back to the PTO with all the improvements of SH 5 such as a fully modeled sub etc.

For me and many, it boils down to the principle of the matter, FREEDOM to use the product I purchased with my own money the way I want it.Years later if I decided to sell the game to someone else because I am finished with it, I should be able to without any BS from the people who long ago got my money. Grievances can be aired on any forum in any thread when responding, if one does not like it, much like violence and sex on TV, change the channel meaning go to a different forum.End of story, have a nice day.

I see no reason to fight it because I see it as being the future of things and not worth fighting.

Internet speeds are increasing so much that soon you will be able to download or watch pretty much anything on-demand. The gaming industry is going the same way. All these games companies are now reduced to a few mega corporations. Their sole interest is in making money and preventing piracy.

It may seem like its a long way off but its not really - once most things are available on-demand through various channels people will slowly stop buying DVD's and Blu-ray films because they know its on tap when they need it.

I'm all for wanting to own my own copy of a blu-ray or dvd movie. I love to hold a CD in my hand. I love to have a copy of SH3 and SH4 sitting on my shelf in a neat row with all my other purchased games. But the fact is the times are changing - I'm just not bothered about fighting it. I use Steam - I use video on demand services - I use XBOX Live - I understand this on-line to use economy, I haven't been let down by it. I play lots of MMO's - Its become the norm for many people.

I bet you this year you will see Apple announce a one flat fee for iTunes for all the music you want. I bet you need to be connected to hear your music.

I do understand there are people who don't have internet - I do understand there are people who have very poor internet. I'm not dismissing these people - but the mega corporations obviously are. I see and understand your passion for fighting them. And I hope you succeed.

Many fights have been won both here and elsewhere on the internet - but every year that goes by the fights becomes more impossible as these greedy companies get bigger and more focused on the numbers.

Lets face it, SH5 was clearly designed from the ground up to be accessible to the masses. This fact makes us lot here insignificant - especially if there is a plan to release this on XBOX. We made a difference with SH3 dynamic campaign mainly because things were different back then.

However, I apologise if my original post was a bit harsh - my main message was meant to be please stop polluting the DRM issue all over the forum. And I was starting to feel passionate that we had all lost sight in this potentially great simulation due to hit the shelves.

It doesn't excuse some of you anti-DRM people from sarcastic replies and nasty comments. So bloody what if I have only made 64 posts? I have read hundreds of thousands and donated a few times to access the download here. I have always been a keen visitor and supporter. I don't expect to be jumped on just because I don't post regularly. I bet there are lots of other people on here who just come to read and occasionally chip in. Doesn't mean they are not a valued member of the subsim community. Neil used to be quite strict about the atmosphere here - seems he doesn't care anymore.

(Post 66 - Am I worthy yet or do I need a few more thousand?)

[IanC]

cherbert you keep talking about "on-demand" and "it's the future"... how much is getting chained to Ubi servers to play a single player game, 'on-demand' by anybody? Masses or expert simmers. Nobody wants it, nobody likes it. Your whole argument doesn't stand up, sorry.
DRM/OSP whatever it's called, is not the future, it's a mistake. Like Windows Millenium or The Godfather Part 3.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by IanC

Like Windows Millenium or The Godfather Part 3.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by cherbert

IIt doesn't excuse some of you anti-DRM people from sarcastic replies and nasty comments. So bloody what if I have only made 64 posts? I have read hundreds of thousands and donated a few times to access the download here. I have always been a keen visitor and supporter. I don't expect to be jumped on just because I don't post regularly. I bet there are lots of other people on here who just come to read and occasionally chip in. Doesn't mean they are not a valued member of the subsim community. Neil used to be quite strict about the atmosphere here - seems he doesn't care anymore.

I still care. Considering the situation, I think the atmosphere is still acceptable. I, Webs, and Takeda have been spending a lot of time and energy working with people in these discussions with minimal interference and discplinary action, to maintain a civil atmosphere. You were jumped on because 1. You threw down a pretty provacative position and 2. there is some kind of internet herd mentality that dominates most people and compels them to respond with ever more harshness: I diagree with him and most people disagree with him--pile on!"

But I think you will find most people here will shake hands and walk away in the end.

[Rip]

Originally Posted by cherbert

I see no reason to fight it because I see it as being the future of things and not worth fighting.

Internet speeds are increasing so much that soon you will be able to download or watch pretty much anything on-demand. The gaming industry is going the same way. All these games companies are now reduced to a few mega corporations. Their sole interest is in making money and preventing piracy.

It may seem like its a long way off but its not really - once most things are available on-demand through various channels people will slowly stop buying DVD's and Blu-ray films because they know its on tap when they need it.

I'm all for wanting to own my own copy of a blu-ray or dvd movie. I love to hold a CD in my hand. I love to have a copy of SH3 and SH4 sitting on my shelf in a neat row with all my other purchased games. But the fact is the times are changing - I'm just not bothered about fighting it. I use Steam - I use video on demand services - I use XBOX Live - I understand this on-line to use economy, I haven't been let down by it. I play lots of MMO's - Its become the norm for many people.

I bet you this year you will see Apple announce a one flat fee for iTunes for all the music you want. I bet you need to be connected to hear your music.

I do understand there are people who don't have internet - I do understand there are people who have very poor internet. I'm not dismissing these people - but the mega corporations obviously are. I see and understand your passion for fighting them. And I hope you succeed.

Many fights have been won both here and elsewhere on the internet - but every year that goes by the fights becomes more impossible as these greedy companies get bigger and more focused on the numbers.

Lets face it, SH5 was clearly designed from the ground up to be accessible to the masses. This fact makes us lot here insignificant - especially if there is a plan to release this on XBOX. We made a difference with SH3 dynamic campaign mainly because things were different back then.

However, I apologise if my original post was a bit harsh - my main message was meant to be please stop polluting the DRM issue all over the forum. And I was starting to feel passionate that we had all lost sight in this potentially great simulation due to hit the shelves.

It doesn't excuse some of you anti-DRM people from sarcastic replies and nasty comments. So bloody what if I have only made 64 posts? I have read hundreds of thousands and donated a few times to access the download here. I have always been a keen visitor and supporter. I don't expect to be jumped on just because I don't post regularly. I bet there are lots of other people on here who just come to read and occasionally chip in. Doesn't mean they are not a valued member of the subsim community. Neil used to be quite strict about the atmosphere here - seems he doesn't care anymore.

(Post 66 - Am I worthy yet or do I need a few more thousand?)

I don't think any of the "anti-DRM" people if you want to call them that have a problem with any of those services/methods. I use STEAM myself and prefer to by a game with it. I don't even have a problem with it staying connected even when I am playing single player.

The problem becomes when I have to. If STEAM didn't have an offline mode. I wouldn't use it. Period. I refuse to tether my ability to play single player games to my internet connection. I live in a hurricane zone and when they hit and the internet is down for weeks. That is no time to lose my ability to game. It is when I need it the most.

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If the stupid lazy idiots that came up with this crap would have done a little surveying or contemplating they would have realized there is a very good reason STEAM has an offline mode. Why don't we ask someone to poll the decision makers at STEAM and see if they think it would be a good idea to remove offline mode. Not one of them would consider it. Seems to me that is why everyone is so afraid of them.

They aren't idiots like the rest of the industry appears to be.

EA and UbiSoft execs would chase a dollar bill out the window of an office on the 50th floor.

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