All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by cherbert

What f**ing relevance is that? I have a life and you don't maybe?

The door is that way.

[Rockin Robbins]

The DRM controversy is flooding the board because it SHOULD flood the board. Customers dictate what successful products contain, not producers. The customer always gets what he wants, if not from a brain-dead company that refuses to meet their desires, then from another who rushes in to fill the vacuum and eat the first company's lunch.

That is what Home Depot did to Scotty's and what Lowes did in turn to Home Depot. As each established company decided to run a 100,000 square foot store with two people who flipped hamburgers the previous week (controlling expenses you know!), another leaped into the position of helping home self-improvers with the information they needed to do their projects.

If Ubi falls, we won't lose the subsim genre. There may be a hiccup, but we will be served by a company who better understands us. One thing about us that Ubi doesn't seem to understand is that we will only accept DRM if it truly penalizes the pirates and if it does not unnecessarily (in OUR judgment) damage our ability to play the game.

In fact, I would argue that on-line DRM will only be accepted if it significantly enhances the game, if it is rock-solid dependable and if it leaves off-line play available. If they want us to be logged on every minute we play, there better be stuff there we can't live without. That means game enhancement, not being left with a crippled game if you're not on-line.

I believe preordering SH5, especially in the face of the DRM announcement, is plain foolishness. If we have learned anything at all from SH3 and SH4 it is that Ubi has to earn our trust with each successive product. We should buy only after they meet their burden of proof that they have delivered an acceptable product. Shoving money their way based on smoke and mirrors only encourages more shenanigans on their part. How many times do they have to prove that they have no concept of customer needs and desires before we treat them accordingly?

But running in circles screaming and shouting isn't required yet. We have nothing but smoke and mirrors to evaluate. I'm waiting and seeing what is happening here. When the game comes out, I'll pull the arrows out of the "brave" pioneers and ask them what manner of Indians had such good aim. My game strategy has always been to purchase the game from one of the dying pioneers on eBay for cheap if I'm interested in taking a chance.

If this is not possible due to DRM restrictions I most likely will not be purchasing SH5 ever. I'm perfectly happy with SH4 and see no reason to "upgrade" without a compelling reason. SH5 is less and less compelling with each passing day.

As far as leaving Subsim because I choose to discuss DRM, my sentiments would have me banned from Subsim, which would meet the OP's desire. Therefore I will act in my own best interests and continue to infest this and other threads about DRM.

Subsim is not a democracy, it is a kingdom. The King sets the rules and we either follow them or aren't welcome here. Fortunately, we have a good king!

[karamazovnew]

Maybe we shouldn't use the word DRM. We've been using games with DRM for a looong time. I want DRM for SH5. I don't want OSP SO Ubi, please bring back Starforce

[tater]

Originally Posted by trenken

Thats your opinion. Many of us that own some DRM games have found some nice advantages to it. For me the primary one would be I love not having my save files on my machine. They are protected on a server so that if my machine decides to meltdown on me, I dont look months or years of progress. Big fan of that.

So the only concrete benefit is offsite save game protection?

You're on a 100% stable broadband connection, and you do not already back your entire machine up offsite?

My 1.5MB DSL connection (best I can get this far from a CO, and no cable up here in the foothills) allows me to back my machines up offsite. If my PC blows up, I have all my save games on a server someplace (india?) where my backup is. If you back up only online DRM games and not real data, wow, just wow. If you do back your machine(s) up offsite, the DRM benefit is entirely moot since you already back your save games up offsite without it—unless it's to play with another machine someplace else, but that implies the backwards technology of using a laptop (backwards cause it is sometimes not connected to the net as all good computers are).

So, now that offsite save games is entirely eliminated as something of unique value, what is the next benefit you glean?

[codmander]

that would be captain whiner dang greenhorn
probly ubi employee

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

SO Ubi, please bring back Starforce

...where's..

...my..

...gun..

[guynoir]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

No guynoir It's just that it seems Ubisoft Moles seem to come to the surface just before a release without any activity on this site (0 dl ) or any later game posts.

Then disappear until next release.

I Don't see you as one of them.

Haha, well... as you can see, it takes a lot to bring me out of the woodwork.

As it turns out, Ubisoft's new DRM is "a lot"...

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

...where's..

...my..

...gun..

I've managed to annoy a Vulcan without making references to his human mother?! That's gotta be a first

Just kiddin of course. About Starforce too

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The MARKET dictates what new technology will be, not the producers. And in this case, you're witnessing the market reject the invasive DRM scheme that Ubi has planned.

All I'm witnessing is a handful of gripes (some of which are justified) and threats (which may or may not be carried out). When the game is released, then we'll see what the market says.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

All I'm witnessing is a handful of gripes (some of which are justified) and threats (which may or may not be carried out). When the game is released, then we'll see what the market says.

Very very true. I'm basing that statement purely off of the "will you buy SH5?" poll. Unscientific, sure, but it's all I have. I wonder how many people will actually stick to their decision. Especially if the game is better than expected.

[tater]

Since my time is valuable to me, if there was a server side problem on the Ubi side that prevented me from enjoying my limited sim time under the OSP scheme, to I get reimbursed? Perhaps credits towards another game since the only reason in this scenario I cannot play is a failure on the part of Ubi?

I assume that my agreements with outfits like CRS (ww2ol) say that my monthly charges do not guarantee I can always play, that there might be server issues. None the less, I bet if there were a lengthy outage we'd be credited with extra time (days added to our subscription).

I know for a fact this has happened to me. Way back when, WarBirds had a failure that kept us offline for a while (days) and we were indeed credited with free days since we paid monthly, and lost a chunk of our paid time.


tater

PS:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Very very true. I'm basing that statement purely off of the "will you buy SH5?" poll. Unscientific, sure, but it's all I have. I wonder how many people will actually stick to their decision. Especially if the game is better than expected.

I'll stick with mine, it will be easy since I only want to see u-boats as oil slicks after being sunk, I was only thinking of buying to support the devs in anticipation of one I would actually play (PTO).

[guynoir]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I wonder how many people will actually stick to their decision. Especially if the game is better than expected.

You know... I had the chance to test that theory out when Blackshark came out. So far I haven't bought it either even though I was just as excited about it as I was for SHV, so I'll probably stick to my guns this time around too.

I bet a good chunk of others will too...

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by tater

I'll stick with mine, it will be easy since I only want to see u-boats as oil slicks after being sunk, I was only thinking of buying to support the devs in anticipation of one I would actually play (PTO).

Yeah must admit is a simpler decision for some
I bought SH4 to support the devs as obv prefer the ATO - before the addon was first mooted
If SH4 had this OSP then would have been a simple decision for me also
Not to buy

So its a bit of a toughie

The part campaign I can live with as can fix that
The part type 7 class can maybe live with ( as I doubt there is a VIID or F ) as I prefer the type 9
No doubt the others will be DLC
Tis the OSP which hurts and is the decider NOT to buy till either removed in a few months OR there becomes a " Way " around being online

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

I've managed to annoy a Vulcan without making references to his human mother?! That's gotta be a first

Just kiddin of course. About Starforce too

Phasers at dawn, sir!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Phasers at dawn, sir!

Damn it Jim! We are dealing with human emotions!