All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

I bet half of you are hypocrites and will buy the game and are simply jumping on the anti-drm bandwagon.

Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

Much agreed. Gaming is changing, technology is changing. I dont know a single person that does not have a constant connection to the internet, so all these guys are fighting against a change that is going to happen anyway just because they are stuck in the past. They'll just be left in the dust so its noone's problem but their own.

Same as people did that loved record albums, or was heavily invested in VHS, or whatever else that was eventually killed off. Offline games are going away now, and ive never played a DRM game I didnt love, so Im very excited about SH5, and im sick of these people unwilling to jump on board the train of technology (which stops for noone) and flooding this board with this nonsense.

I cant even come here and casually read some topics about this game without tons of people about DRM. Who does that? Isnt it better to just roll with the changes than to try to fight it, its always a losing battle when it comes to this stuff. People will never learn. They're just going to end up those people in vitage gaming shops still looking for offline games, just like all those dudes still searching for records.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

I bet half of you are hypocrites and will buy the game and are simply jumping on the anti-drm bandwagon.

Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

Things slow over at the UBI offices ?

Trolling over here isn't going to help matters.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Things slow over at the UBI offices ?

Trolling over here isn't going to help matters.

Having an opinion that differs than yours is not trolling, just so you know.

[tater]

Mobile devices are really the latest tech, you're the one tied to a land-line net connection model that you apparently "love."

I neither love nor hate DRM as a basic idea. This particular scheme that disallows mobile devices (laptops in this case) is regressive technologically, not progressive. Theoretically I'm on the net all the time via 3GS on the iPhone. In "Realityland™" it's not terribly consistent to put it very diplomatically.

The trivial addition of an "offline" mode of play would be a very sensible addition.

All games require a net connection NOW if you wish patches, etc (DLing a multi-hundred meg patch with dial-up is not an option). So that's not even on the table.

I think it's funny that the "pro" side here is against even a minor improvement to the DRM that would allow offline play EVER in the name of somehow being modern and progressive. A more constraining model is the wave of the future, not a less physically constrained model?

[IanC]

Originally Posted by trenken

Much agreed. Gaming is changing, technology is changing. I dont know a single person that does not have a constant connection to the internet, so all these guys are fighting against a change that is going to happen anyway just because they are stuck in the past. They'll just be left in the dust so its noone's problem but their own.

Same as people did that loved record albums, or was heavily invested in VHS, or whatever else that was eventually killed off. Offline games are going away now, and ive never played a DRM game I didnt love, so Im very excited about SH5, and im sick of these people unwilling to jump on board the train of technology (which stops for noone) and flooding this board with this nonsense.

I cant even come here and casually read some topics about this game without tons of people about DRM. Who does that? Isnt it better to just roll with the changes than to try to fight it, its always a losing battle when it comes to this stuff. People will never learn. They're just going to end up those people in vitage gaming shops still looking for offline games, just like all those dudes still searching for records.

There is so many things wrong with your post, I don't even know where to start.
I guess I'll just take this quote

Isnt it better to just roll with the changes than to try to fight it, its always a losing battle when it comes to this stuff.

No it's not better to just roll with the changes (or roll over) if those changes are wrong (plz don't make me list you the reasons why DRM is wrong/bad idea). It is always possible to make a big company make changes if enough people voice their objections.

[TDK1044]

Don't worry. Ubisoft's history with the Silent Hunter series shows us that this will be a technical disaster from day one.

[guynoir]

Originally Posted by trenken

Much agreed. Gaming is changing, technology is changing. I dont know a single person that does not have a constant connection to the internet, so all these guys are fighting against a change that is going to happen anyway just because they are stuck in the past. They'll just be left in the dust so its noone's problem but their own.
...
Isnt it better to just roll with the changes than to try to fight it, its always a losing battle when it comes to this stuff.

It sounds like you're having a hard time stepping out of your own shoes... "I don't know a single broadband-less person personally therefore they don't exist!"

Only something like ~63% of Americans have broadband... That doesn't sound like "everyone" to me.

As for rolling with the changes, it's hard for some to do that when they live in an area without access to a constant internet connection. Are you saying that they should sell their house and move? That's beyond drastic... It's easy to get mad about a type of DRM that, in the name of stopping piracy, completely denies you the ability to play a game that you've been excited about--especially if that DRM doesn't really offer anything positive otherwise...

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by guynoir

It sounds like you're having a hard time stepping out of your own shoes... "I don't know a single broadband-less person personally therefore they don't exist!"

Only something like ~63% of Americans have broadband... That doesn't sound like "everyone" to me.

As for rolling with the changes, it's hard for some to do that when they live in an area without access to a constant internet connection. Are you saying that they should sell their house and move? That's beyond drastic... It's easy to get mad about a type of DRM that, in the name of stopping piracy, completely denies you the ability to play a game that you've been excited about--especially if that DRM doesn't really offer anything positive otherwise...

Good post Btw you just ruined a theory I had.

[Mikhayl]

Basically Trenken is just as out of touch with reality as Ubi marketing is. If the paying customers don't follow that "change" then it will die, period. And Trenken can cry all he wants about it

[msalama]

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

* raises hand timidly *

Eh... and how about us fencesitters?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

Smoke on the horizon, Sir.
What is it?
It looks like a server, Sir. VII class. sinking fast.
Anyone with it?
Stupid people, Sir. Hanging on for dear life with Network cables.
Range to target?
Unable to comply, Sir. That bug isn't fixed yet.
How do we sink it?
Just give it time, Sir. It will sink on its own.

Made me drop my popcorn

[catar M]

the whole "casual gamer group" isnt interested in drm in or not. means: subsimmers are in the minority group

I don't think "casual PC gamer" exists . Casual gamers buy consols which cost 1/4 less then average PC. To run today's games you need PC worth around $2000 AUD and anyone who spends that much money is not casual gamer.we talk subsims which is not a big hit with "casual" gamers as you call then. Casual gamers want games like COD MW 2 easy shoot them up they don't want to spent time to learn to play the sim to it's full potential. My 2c worth

[trenken]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Basically Trenken is just as out of touch with reality as Ubi marketing is. If the paying customers don't follow that "change" then it will die, period. And Trenken can cry all he wants about it

Yeah im pretty sure if you're here complaining about having to play a game online, I think you're the one out of touch.

If Im out of touch, please explain to me why the entire gaming industry is transitioning to online? Good luck coming up with an excuse for that one.

You can make posts about this all day, online is where it's all heading. You wont change that.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Well to be fair, we havent really be drowning in new screens, videos, gameplay, any positive stuff, really, have we. First we discover we can only go to 1943, then there's only one class of U-Boat, now this DRM asscheese.

I dont blame people for firing up the torches and sharpening the pitchforks. The horizon smells like a Gordon Brown scale shafting.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Basically Trenken is just as out of touch with reality as Ubi marketing is. If the paying customers don't follow that "change" then it will die, period. And Trenken can cry all he wants about it

He's so myopic that he has it backwards. Customers dictate the market, not producers. And he thinks customers have no voice. Good luck with that line of thinking, buddy.